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Do You regard Doctrine of Gifts Continuing/Ceasing as being "essential?"
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freeatlast
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There is no argument just false beliefs on your part. There is no evidence to back up your belief. NONE! and you know it.
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Agree with you that there is a power fom the HS that comes by submitting to Him daily, to have Him empowering us to live for God, in power of God, and not in our flesh and strenght!
I do NOT seek anything in the area of the Gifts of the Lord, as the Bible clearly teaches that the HS grants/bestows each Gift that we may have based as He wills it!
Do seek after the Lord, and do try to yield to the HS and His empowering daily basis!
Think that we need to see that there are MANY who hold to both sides of this issue, and agree that as long as we see that Wof/wealth/health/properity/positive thinking doctrines are NOT biblical, can agrre to disagree and still see other as brothers in Christ!
Agree with you that there is a power fom the HS that comes by submitting to Him daily, to have Him empowering us to live for God, in power of God, and not in our flesh and strenght!
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I do NOT seek anything in the area of the Gifts of the Lord, as the Bible clearly teaches that the HS grants/bestows each Gift that we may have based as He wills it!
Do seek after the Lord, and do try to yield to the HS and His empowering daily basis!
Think that we need to see that there are MANY who hold to both sides of this issue, and agree that as long as we see that Wof/wealth/health/properity/positive thinking doctrines are NOT biblical, can agrre to disagree and still see other as brothers in Christ!
BS..... :tongue3: See I knew you wanted a fight. not interested
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freeatlast
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then give the evidence
freeatlast
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I thought the question was about whether we consider them essential or not? I don't follow your response along that line.
Is a person’s belief about spiritual gifts essential to fellowship????
Well, my answer depends on the attitude of the person we are dealing with.
Some people who do not believe in spiritual gifts are just without knowledge of them, … their value, their importance, or how they operate. These folk would be civil in any discussions regarding the nature of gifts and miracles continuing.
However, others are belligerent toward anyone who believes in spiritual gifts continuing to operate in the Church. They argue that those who believe in miracles and supernatural gifts are stupid, crazy, deceived, liars, or that they are demonized.
As one who believes that all of the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are for the Church today, I would find it difficult to fellowship with someone who would be so crass to call me any of these things.
On the other hand, to deny that spiritual gifts and manifestation of the Holy Spirit are for today, or that miracles occur today, causes a credibility problem with the Scriptures. Most of the promises of God become absolutely meaningless as one embraces the doctrine of cessationism. God is a supernatural God and prayer, according to the teaching of Scripture, is an expectation of something miraculous and supernatural. If we cannot expect God to do miracles then prayer can become a powerless ritual, just something you do to be religious.
I would find it difficult to fellowship with someone who in effect denies that the God of the Bible cannot be trusted to keep His promises.
Well, my answer depends on the attitude of the person we are dealing with.
Some people who do not believe in spiritual gifts are just without knowledge of them, … their value, their importance, or how they operate. These folk would be civil in any discussions regarding the nature of gifts and miracles continuing.
However, others are belligerent toward anyone who believes in spiritual gifts continuing to operate in the Church. They argue that those who believe in miracles and supernatural gifts are stupid, crazy, deceived, liars, or that they are demonized.
As one who believes that all of the gifts and manifestations of the Holy Spirit are for the Church today, I would find it difficult to fellowship with someone who would be so crass to call me any of these things.
On the other hand, to deny that spiritual gifts and manifestation of the Holy Spirit are for today, or that miracles occur today, causes a credibility problem with the Scriptures. Most of the promises of God become absolutely meaningless as one embraces the doctrine of cessationism. God is a supernatural God and prayer, according to the teaching of Scripture, is an expectation of something miraculous and supernatural. If we cannot expect God to do miracles then prayer can become a powerless ritual, just something you do to be religious.
I would find it difficult to fellowship with someone who in effect denies that the God of the Bible cannot be trusted to keep His promises.
No one here that I know believes that. So you should be ok.
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Actually, the word can also refer to fulness/maturity...
So there are legit reasons why one could see this as either referencing the concept of when the Church is complete and fully matured, full stature of Christ, or else to when the perfect comes. jesus at His Second Coming!
what is interest is that for a majority of Church history the favored intrepertation here was that it referred to his Second Coming, and just relatively recent idea of it meaning the canon of scripture..
That makes sense, as theconcept of it being the "canon' would seem to be "force fed" into the passage, while other view makes more logical sense!
Actually, the word can also refer to fulness/maturity...
So there are legit reasons why one could see this as either referencing the concept of when the Church is complete and fully matured, full stature of Christ, or else to when the perfect comes. jesus at His Second Coming!
what is interest is that for a majority of Church history the favored intrepertation here was that it referred to his Second Coming, and just relatively recent idea of it meaning the canon of scripture..
That makes sense, as theconcept of it being the "canon' would seem to be "force fed" into the passage, while other view makes more logical sense!
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