Do You regard Doctrine of Gifts Continuing/Ceasing as being "essential?"

[DHK]

The problem is none of those so called Baptist churches has any of the miraculous gifts operating in their mist or knows of any place they are operating so they are simply rebelling against all truth if they hold that view.
They are in fact willfully self deceived if they believe that.

Baptists have soul liberty. They are not going to be burned at the stake for believing something other than the State tells them to believe. And in this case the State doesn't care what they believe.

 

[beameup]

Originally Posted by beameup
If that were the case then the Holy Spirit would not have wasted space differentiating between tongues of men and tongues of angels.
(How do angels communicate with each other?).

Your point is moot and irrelevant.

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues; - Mark 16:17

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. - 1 Cor 14:2

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself - 1 Cor 14:4

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will [B]pray[/B] with the understanding also - 1 Cor 14:13-15a

Your point is moot and irrelevant.

Moot?
Irrelevant?
You are sounding dismissive and Pharisaical again.

I have no problem believing that there are other "tongues" (languages) other than HUMAN languages.
Apparently you dismiss that idea out-of-hand.

 

[DHK]

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues; - Mark 16:17

The end of Mark 16.
I will give you deadly snakes and you can pick them up without harming yourself, alright?
I will give you poisonous drinks (HCL will do) and you can drink it, and see if you will not get sick, right?

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (Mark 16:18)
--If these signs are truly for today, then you today you go back to your house and practice them, and tomorrow you come and tell us how you feel; how you fared as you exercised these powers.
--Such statements without evidence are pure nonsense.
The end of Mark was given primarily to the disciples. Remember that the Apostle Paul had a poisonous snake that attached itself to his arm. He shook it off into the fire. The inhabitants of the island thought he was going to die. But God protected Paul. These things have ceased.

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

- 1 Cor 14:2

What is Paul saying here?
No man understands you. Don't do it. You are speaking into the wind. It is foolishness. I have studied five languages. Suppose you come in my house and I communicate to my wife in a language you don't know. How would you feel? We would be speaking in mysteries to you. Paul says don't do that. God can understand whatever you say, but the people around you can't.

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself

- 1 Cor 14:4

Therefore don't do it. ALL of the spiritual gifts were given for the edification of the church; not for selfish purposes. They were not personal gifts; not for selfish edification. This is a rebuke. If you edify only yourself you sin. The gift is for the edification of the whole church.

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

--Speaking without an interpreter was sinful and out of line. Paul made it clear that whenever one spoke in tongues they had to have an interpreter or else they had to sit down and shut up. Thus he says "pray that he may interpret." Why the need of an interpreter if you know how to speak in a foreign language. Because the gift was a sign to the Jews. Presumably the person spoke the language in a foreign tongue (language). But there had to be Jews present. It was a sign for them. Thus the message had to be translated back into Hebrew as a sign to them that the message was from God. That was the interpretation.

What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will [B]pray[/B] with the understanding also

- 1 Cor 14:13-15a

Understanding is key. Now look at the whole passage. Does everyone understand?

Moot?
Irrelevant?
You are sounding dismissive and Pharisaical again.

I have no problem believing that there are other "tongues" (languages) other than HUMAN languages.
Apparently you dismiss that idea out-of-hand.

Are they for today?
Demonstrate where the gift of healing is in operation today.
Demonstrate where the gift of miracles is in operation today.
Demonstrate where the gift of Biblical tongues is in operation today.

If you cannot you must cede that the gifts have ceased; they are not in operation today.

 

[freeatlast]

Baptists have soul liberty. They are not going to be burned at the stake for believing something other than the State tells them to believe. And in this case the State doesn't care what they believe.

.What are you talking about?

 

[freeatlast]

And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues; - Mark 16:17

For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:
for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. - 1 Cor 14:2

He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself - 1 Cor 14:4

Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will [B]pray[/B] with the understanding also - 1 Cor 14:13-15a



Moot?
Irrelevant?
You are sounding dismissive and Pharisaical again.

I have no problem believing that there are other "tongues" (languages) other than HUMAN languages.
Apparently you dismiss that idea out-of-hand.

I have a question. Do you understand that the wrod "unknown" is not in the bible when dealing with tongues?

 

[DHK]

.What are you talking about?

It means when it comes to a person's interpretation of 1Cor.13:8-13, I know what I believe. If their conclusion or interpretation of that passage is somewhat different I am not going to break fellowship with them over that basis. Tongues have ceased, not just because of one passage of Scripture but for many many reasons when all put together form one solid package of evidence which those who believe they are still in evidence for today cannot refute.

 

[DHK]

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