What is ill informed is the "science" being reliable and without and agenda that says otherwise.
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What is ill informed is the "science" being reliable and without and agenda that says otherwise.
So then you believe Jesus was speaking out of ignorance, since he wasn't purposely trying to deceive?
No I believe someone else understands His words differently than you do (right or wrong).
So would it be more acceptable to you if I said, "Either you believe what Jesus said or you are calling Jesus a liar. Another alternative is that you have poor reading comprehension skills." ?
Or you could just be kind and not desire to attack.
OK, I get it. You don't like my delivery method. I've already told you that I'm comfortable with it. I'm not going to change because of something you say. If I am violating a board rule, let the moderators deal with me.
How about we get back to the actual discussion instead of talking about my delivery methods?
No..what you said was untrue and a false witness. No one called Jesus a liar.
No, what I stated was my opinion. I understand that you don't agree with my opinion on the matter, but I'm still entitled to say it. Again, how about we stop talking about my delivery methods and speak about the actual topic again?
You might be talking about your delivery method but I am not. I am talking about your false accusation.
That's nice. I will continue to repeat it.
If you don't believe Jesus' words then you either believe he is a liar or speaking from ignorance. It's quite simple. You can call it whatever you want, but it's the simple truth of the matter.
You can continue to say I'm making false accusations and bearing false witness, but I will continue to say it. You are just going to have to deal with it.
Well there you go.
Dr. Walter
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You haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about. A lie does not have to be intentional to be a lie. A lie is an untruth, and if you spread an untruth you are spreading a lie whether you are cognant of it or not.
The rediculous thing here is that you are the one lying as you are the one making the false accusation and don't even know what you are doing. Ignorance does not change a lie into a truth.
When Jesus says man was created "AT the BEGINNING of the Creation" and you say "No, he was not created at the beginning of creation but BILLIONS of years after creation" you are calling Christ a liar by flatly contradicting His words, whether, you are doing IGNORANTLY or not does not change a FALSEHOOD into a TRUTH and there is no middle ground between a FALSEHOOD and truth.
I beleive you are just too proudful to admit your wrong and you are wrong!
Dr. Walter
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Theistic Evolutionst, whether they are Christian or not are LIARS because they have denied the Word of God concerning creation.
Theistic Evolutionist LIE when they reinterpret the origin of man to be BILLIONS of years AFTER the origin of the universe. They are LIARS.
Theistic Evolution's are calling Jesus Christ a Liar when they contradict and repudiate his clear and explicit words that God made man "AT the BEGINNING" or "FROM the BEGINNING of Creation" when they interpret Genesis 1:27 to have occured BILLIONS of years AFTER creation. They are calling Christ a Liar.
They may be doing it ignorantly, but ignorance does not change an untruth into truth. They may be doing sincerely, sincerety does not change untruth into truth.
They may not be doing it deliberately only mistakenly but that does not change a lie into truth and what they are teaching is a LIE and what they are teaching is calling Christ a Liar.
Theistic Evolutionist LIE when they reinterpret the origin of man to be BILLIONS of years AFTER the origin of the universe. They are LIARS.
Theistic Evolution's are calling Jesus Christ a Liar when they contradict and repudiate his clear and explicit words that God made man "AT the BEGINNING" or "FROM the BEGINNING of Creation" when they interpret Genesis 1:27 to have occured BILLIONS of years AFTER creation. They are calling Christ a Liar.
They may be doing it ignorantly, but ignorance does not change an untruth into truth. They may be doing sincerely, sincerety does not change untruth into truth.
They may not be doing it deliberately only mistakenly but that does not change a lie into truth and what they are teaching is a LIE and what they are teaching is calling Christ a Liar.
So you continue to show you do not know what a lie is. May the Lord soften your heart.
Dr. Walter
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It is not a matter of the heart but the head - go read a dictionary!
marked by or containing falsehoods - Merimam's online dictionary
Disposed to or characterized by untruth - The Free Dictionary
We are not talking about anyone's character but we are talking about their content and teaching. You are confusing the two. You are falsely accusing us of a definition we neither said or intended but clearly avoided. I repeated over and over "in principle" and the other gentleman bluntly told you that he was making a "general" reference. You simply want to make it an issue and so you have put a meaning into our mouth we never said or intended but clearly defined in keeping with the above dictionary definition of "lying" that which is "marked by or containing falsehoods" or that which is characterized by "untruth."
I suggest you go find a dictionary and read it and quit falsely accusing us (lying about) us.
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Well, that would hold if maybe you said you said "If you embrace a theory that denies the deity of Jesus Christ you are IN PRINCIPLE OPPOSING Jesus Christ".
Or even "If you embrace a theory that IN PRINCIPLE denies the deity of Jesus Christ you are IN PRINCIPLE OPPOSING Jesus Christ."
But that's not what you said!
It was "If you embrace a theory that IN PRINCIPLE denies the deity of Jesus Christ you are OPPOSING Jesus Christ."
That assigns the negative motive to the person, directly, because you have the indirect (aka "principle") applied to the doctrine, and not to the person teaching it.
I imagine you're ultimately are trying to say that Christ is opposed in principle, but it is the way that you say it that comes off as accusatory.
Dr. Walter
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You are wrong in your position and so your trying to make this a personal thing. Enough!
If YOU are holding a position that repudiates the words of Christ, thus making a liar out of Christ, then YOU are the one responsible for embracing such a position. Nobody twisted your arm to take that position, YOU took it of your own accord and YOU are still embracing it and therefore IN PRINCIPLE it is YOU that calls Christ a liar by willfully taking that position. And until you repudiate that position it is YOU that will continue calling Christ a liar by YOUR position/interpretation.
Jesus Christ the Creator, The Son of God makes a directed and pointed reference to the Gensis record, specifically Genesis 1:26 and puts it in a specificied TIME FRAME that repudiates any kind of interpretation of Genesis One that requires BILLIONS OF YEARS between the origin of the universe and the origin of the human species. He says that God made man "AT the BEGINNING" or "FROM the BEGINNING of creation" not a million or a billion years AFTER the beginning.
Those who embrace an interpretation that requires the origin of the human species millions or billions of years AFTER the origin of the universe are calling Christ a liar by that very interpetation.
Rom. 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings,
Paul's point above is that men's "unbelief" in His Word does not make God a Liar but makes every man who disputes His Word a "liar". Theistic Evolutionists are disputing Christ's word's "AT the beginning" or "From the beginning" to AFTER the beginning! Christ's word is true and they are liars! A man may dispute God's Word sincerely, ignorantly, but it does not change the fact that he is misrepresenting the Words of God and that misrepresentation is a LIE!
Moreover, YOU do not understand the Biblical argument that I have repeated over and over again and NOBODY on this forum has addressed or has been able to refute.
The words "AND HE SAID" are repeated over and over again throughout Genesis Chapter One characterizing the creation account.
I have repeatedly asked all Thesitic Evolutonists on this forum IF those words are to be taken LITERALLY or FIGURATIVELY - no one has responded. This question goes right to the heart for any basis for the validity of any kind of poetical symbolic type of hermeneutic in Genesis one.
I then presented the following scriptures that are INSPIRED commentary on those very words demonstrating that those who wrote under INSPIRATION interpreted those words LITERALLY and HISTORICALLY:
Heb. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Ps 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Ps 33:9 For he spake, and it was done ; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Ps 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Ex. 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 FOR in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
God Himself interprets these numerical days as non-poetical but literal historical narrrative and sets them forth as THE EXAMPLE for observing non-poetical but literal historical seven days in our own life.
Biblical writers deny that Genesis One is a poetical expression of BILLIONS of years but regard it as a LITERAL and HISTORICAL expression of creation BY GOD SPEAKING IT INTO EXISTENCE "Let there be" and it was.
Furthermore, I provided Dr. Henry Morris's commentary on the term "firmament" and N
NE has been able to over turn his evidence that it simply means an "expanse" of space rather than some kind of solid covering.
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Dr. Walter
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Caught red handed and all you can do is turn it into another personal attack - how nice IT must be to be intentionally deceptive!
Dr. Walter
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Liberals are like demoncratic strategists. When they have no substance, or can't defend their errors with substance they turn on the person who exposes their erroneous thinking and false interpretations and try to make it all about that person instead about their obvious errors. When they are caught red handed holding a position that accuses Christ of lying then they turn on the person who simply exposes their lie and calls a spade a spade. Why not try a little truth for a change even though it might hurt?
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