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  1. Don

    Don Well-Known Member
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    And yet, you just spent all that time defending and discussing method rather than message. . . .

    BTW: I agree with Rippon regarding his quoting of that section of your response to Seeking; well said.
     
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    A movement?

    Since the Reformation began in the 16th century, and the church went without it for 1500 years, could it not be said that reformation is just a movement also? maybe even more so?

    John
     
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    The Reformation was a mighty movement of God --I'd say the biggest sustained Revival in the whole of church History.
     
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    There is a slight problem with that thought. When challenged with the idea that their ideas were new, Calvin showed theologically how their views were not new citing them throughout church history. One Monk, after one debate on this very issue, exclaimed, "We have been deceived" in talking about the Roman Catholic Church.

    So, it was historic but the revival in the doctrines were suppressed for years until the Reformation.
     
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    Pentecostals say the same thing about Azusa.

    John
     
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    The doctrine contained and explained within the Bible though were ALL inspired from God directly Himself, so there would be NO need for those authors to be building upon prior theologies/understanding, as they WERE the originals on which all further understandings were to be based upon!

    Do agree with you that we should and need to learn from those who went before us, but also that even if the historical church agreed upon a particular doctrine, such as the RCC for all those years before reformation, still does not mean right!

    So the doctrines of Dispy/gifts etc could very well be on a bilical basis, asnd also think that we need to realise that some of what the early Church fathers and church taught/believed were switched out when the RCC "took over", as church was pre mill, did see isreal/Church seperate etc, but when the cathilic church became prominent, that group swirtched us to viewing the RCC as being Kindgom of God in earth, and than a Mil came prominent, even the reformers kept that pretty much, as they were most interested in faith alone grace alone to deal with![/quote]
     
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    Thanks to the latter comment.

    As to the former let me just clarify- I believe the method is very important.

    The truth deserves to be communicated properly.

    Timidity and winsomeness rarely suits truth as a vehicle when that truth is suppressed in darkness. Truth should burst forth rather than seep out.

    I believe with all my heart that what is being discussed on this thread concerns a great darkness that is killing our religious culture. That darkness consists of intense arrogance and ignorance that should not be coddled. We are to have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them.
     
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    I'm so thankful the apostles didn't believe this or Christianity would have died 2000 years ago.

    (Remember the NEW wine skins?)

    :rolleyes:
     
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    That's the thing. The reformation was a return to something very old and that the church settled a long time ago. The Augustine pelagian controversy settled the theology of it in the fourth century. The solas were not new. They were long held beliefs in the church that the corruption of the papacy gradually undermined over the centuries. The reformation was not new. It was a return to the old.

    Pentecostalism on the other hand is new. The orthodox church never adhered to these doctrines in her history. KJVonlyism is new. And the list could go on and on.
     
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    the "orthodox" Church though denied the true Gospel until the time of the Reformation though, and there were times where gifts did operate, just "disappeared" due to ignorance of the subject, perhaps, as there was indeed a "dark age" in the church age!

    And to be fair, was the view "KJV ONlY" THE way solid majority saw it in the "orthodox" Church until late 1800's, when critical text studies/supporters/modern versions started "taking off?'

    (I AM NOT a KJV Only, as dont even use it to study from, sticking to Nas/Esv, and Greek texts!)[/quote]
     
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    Further, the Reformers violently disagreed with our Baptist forefathers and their progenitors. Sometimes, the only point of agreement between the Lutherans, Reformed, and the RCC was Baptists were trouble making heretics worthy of death.
     
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    So we need to realise that there was doctrines held by early Church that got "displaced/deephasised" by the RCC, there have neen differing viewpoints between different branches in Christianity through the years, and there was doctrine that were brought "back to life" By the HS to the Church!
    Not as easy to appeal to historical Theology as some would see!
     
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    Nothing! Luke has worn out his welcome on most other areas of the forum, so he is determined to find those to insult and argue with here.
     
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