IF A Church Does NOT Support Missions, isnt That Sin?

[seekingthetruth]

You need to be honest ST. I have said clearly and repeatedly MANY IFBs- not ALL.

It is morally wrong to misrepresent another's statements. It is literally breaking one of the Ten Commandments- bearing false witness.

You have every right to fight against me- but you are morally obligated by God himself to represent me honestly as you do.

Ah yes, but you point the finger at me specifically. So, I am representing you honestly.

John

 

[Luke2427]

All I see is the people I come in contact with each & every day & they are sliding into non belief, so where are the churches for those people? Im beginning to think your full of it.

It doesn't take two minutes to verify. google brookhillschurch.org.

It is utter madness to think that there are NO CHURCHES ON EARTH doing ANYTHING for the GOSPEL.

You'd have to have your head in the sand.

 

[Luke2427]

Ah yes, but you point the finger at me specifically. So, I am representing you honestly.

John

No sir. You said that I have said the JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IFB you are evil.

That is dishonest. It is bearing false witness against your neighbor. It is sin.

 

[seekingthetruth]

No sir. You said that I have said the JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE IFB you are evil.

That is dishonest. It is bearing false witness against your neighbor. It is sin.

Go back and re read your posts to me.

And get the beam out of your eye before you call me a sinner, please

John

 

[Luke2427]

Go back and re read your posts to me.

And get the beam out of your eye before you call me a sinner, please

John

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

The church I attend has two couples from our church that are planting churches in Mexico and South America. They are members of our church but go out as ambassadors for Christ. We support them financially as well as spiritually. We also support several other missionaries throughout the world that have asked for help.

Every penney of every dollar i give goes to them, it is not eroded away by the administration of a mission board.

Though some on here may say that since we are IFB that we are spreading "darkness", I am proud of the support we give and the contribution we make towards the carrying of the gospel throughout the world.

All churches are not dead....yet.

John

John....there are more Mexicans in New Jersey than there are in Mexico. you know who is helping them dont you ....the catholics. So send theme here.....all you need is a car & some barritos!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It doesn't take two minutes to verify. google brookhillschurch.org.

It is utter madness to think that there are NO CHURCHES ON EARTH doing ANYTHING for the GOSPEL.

You'd have to have your head in the sand.

Yea right...then where is yours....dont tell me, I can guess. Brother, you need to take a walk, maybe out of your own little neighborhood of 15 Baptist churches in Podunk Mississippi ......maybe join the military ....work as a chaplin. Get some S on your shoes instead of on your head.

 

[Luke2427]

Yea right...then where is yours....dont tell me, I can guess. Brother, you need to take a walk, maybe out of your own little neighborhood of 15 Baptist churches in Podunk Mississippi ......maybe join the military ....work as a chaplin. Get some S on your shoes instead of on your head.

Wait a second, Bro. Are you literally contending that there are no churches on earth doing great things for God?????

If so, maybe you need to follow your own advice.

That is a level of obliviousness that needs addressing.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wait a second, Bro. Are you literally contending that there are no churches on earth doing great things for God?????

If so, maybe you need to follow your own advice.

That is a level of obliviousness that needs addressing.

Now where are you getting that son? Thats not what I said. But as typical of you, your missing the finer points. Maybe go back & read Ky's last post.

But Im probably not being fair to you either..... I know both your own strengths as well as limitations. You want everyone to fit into your round peg & if they are slightly skewed & squared, then you will take that hammer out & beat them into submission & you cant help yourself.

I advise you to step back a moment & reassess. You & some others have taken a good Godly man & badgered him because his own views do not not fit perfectly with yours & ...... BANG, BANG, BANG.

My brother.....In all honesty, know that God is much bigger than that!

 

[freeatlast]

IF A Church Does NOT Support Missions, isnt That Sin? QUOTE]

If by what you said they do not witness and spread the gospel at all then yes I would say it is sin. In fact they would be defeating the purpose them them being left here after their salvation. However If they simply do not belong to some missionary board to send money to then no I see no sin. They may feel that they can better handle the money then some mission board.

 

[kyredneck]

You know I think the world of you. You know I think you have one of the sharpest, most naturally gifted minds on BB.

But this statement could be a slight detriment to the Great Commission.

The Great Commission is about words- the Words of God- the word of the Gospel- the words of Christ.

The Great Commission is not about lifestyle- it's not about inviting folks to barbeque's, and being an extra sweet guy until somebody asks you why you are such a fine fella, etc... (though there is nothing wrong with doing that so long as you are not looking to unreasonably postpone the actual communication of the Gospel)

We have a message to proclaim and to persuade men, women, girls and boys that it is true- that Jesus Christ is Lord.

The best means to do so is WORDS. Certainly our life should match our words but the power is not in our lives- the power is in the message- the Gospel. Our lives should be good vehicles whereby we can transport the Gospel effectively, but the power is not in the vehicle- it's in the Gospel- the message which consists of words.

I'm back, now I gotta start digging, but first I'll make this point:

but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15

That's where the saying is derived from. I have on several occasions given answer to those that have asked. I can't help but wonder which has added more to the kingdom, missions or 'one on one'.

 

[John of Japan]

Asking, because a friend of mine once drove by to his church a Baptist Church that did NOT even budget for missionaries, has those who god has saved, He will save!

Because of the Great Commission in Matt., Mark, Luke, John & Acts, any Baptist church that does not seek to obey the Great Commission both at home and around the world, is sinning by directly disobeying the commands of Jesus Christ.

I just came from the International Conference on World Evangelism, and was greatly encouraged about this matter. Almost every message was an exegesis from the Great Commission. This conference emphasizes church planting, and there were men there who had planted multiple churches both in America and other countries. In particular, I was blessed by the preaching and miniistry of Lou Baldwin and his son. Bro. Baldwin founded the Conference on Evangelizing Black America, and has been instrumental in planting 28 churches.

 

[John of Japan]

I can't help but wonder which has added more to the kingdom, missions or 'one on one'.

Think about that statement, please. How do you think missionaries reach the world? One on one, friend, one on one.

 

[Luke2427]

Now where are you getting that son? Thats not what I said. But as typical of you, your missing the finer points. Maybe go back & read Ky's last post.

But Im probably not being fair to you either..... I know both your own strengths as well as limitations. You want everyone to fit into your round peg & if they are slightly skewed & squared, then you will take that hammer out & beat them into submission & you cant help yourself.

I advise you to step back a moment & reassess. You & some others have taken a good Godly man & badgered him because his own views do not not fit perfectly with yours & ...... BANG, BANG, BANG.

My brother.....In all honesty, know that God is much bigger than that!

I don't know what you are talking about. Who have I beat up? I don't hesitate to smash backwards theology with no historical roots which is an obstacle to kingdom progress. But you are being too incoherent for me to have any idea to what you are referring.

 

[Luke2427]

Because of the Great Commission in Matt., Mark, Luke, John & Acts, any Baptist church that does not seek to obey the Great Commission both at home and around the world, is sinning by directly disobeying the commands of Jesus Christ.

I just came from the International Conference on World Evangelism, and was greatly encouraged about this matter. Almost every message was an exegesis from the Great Commission. This conference emphasizes church planting, and there were men there who had planted multiple churches both in America and other countries. In particular, I was blessed by the preaching and miniistry of Lou Baldwin and his son. Bro. Baldwin founded the Conference on Evangelizing Black America, and has been instrumental in planting 28 churches.

I think that's great john. Keep up the good work.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yea....all IFB Church plants......great work John :applause:

 

[Luke2427]

I'm back, now I gotta start digging, but first I'll make this point:

but sanctify in your hearts Christ as Lord: being ready always to give answer to every man that asketh you a reason concerning the hope that is in you, yet with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15

That's where the saying is derived from. I have on several occasions given answer to those that have asked. I can't help but wonder which has added more to the kingdom, missions or 'one on one'.

I'd say missions. Ultimately one on one falls under that category anyway.

Of course a definition of terms would be helpful at this point. What do you mean by "missions" and what do I mean by it are essential investigations to make progress in this conversation.

Any sincere and biblical effort to fulfill the Great Commission would be what I think of when I think of the term.

 

[convicted1]

Listen, I have nothing against missions. Those of you who do this, may God abundantly bless you on your journies. However, I think that each local church that supports missions, should start in their community first. Its like whenever another country needs help, such as Haiti after the earthquake, and Japan, too. Look at all the money that was sent there. I am not saying to NOT help them, but we have hungry kids here that need food, and the money sent to those countries could be used to feed them. Charity starts at home, and then what is left over can be given elsewhere. This country is in a sad condition, and the Great Commission for each local church should start in their community first.

 

[Tom Butler]

Listen, I have nothing against missions. Those of you who do this, may God abundantly bless you on your journies. However, I think that each local church that supports missions, should start in their community first.

Just as Jesus said, Jerusalem first, then Judea, then Samaria, then the whole world.

In most cases, though, it doesn't have to be either/or. We've had members do overseas missions; this summer three members went to East Tennessee; another went 25 miles to participate in a mission project.

Our church contributes to a Cooperative Ministry both monetarily and with food goods. We're not even members of this ministry, but their Food pantry supplies a real need. We prepare huge boxes of foodstuffs to give away at Christmas time.

In addition, as Southern Baptists, we include Associational missions, and the Cooperative Program in our budget; support the Lottie Moon and Annie Armstrong offerings, support the Eliza Broadus offering for Kentucky state missions; and even support our local Crisis Pregnancy Center (pro-life, of course).

Now some ministries get more than others, as the need arises and the Lord leads. But our church, too, starts at home.

 

[John of Japan]

Listen, I have nothing against missions. Those of you who do this, may God abundantly bless you on your journies. However, I think that each local church that supports missions, should start in their community first. Its like whenever another country needs help, such as Haiti after the earthquake, and Japan, too. Look at all the money that was sent there. I am not saying to NOT help them, but we have hungry kids here that need food, and the money sent to those countries could be used to feed them. Charity starts at home, and then what is left over can be given elsewhere. This country is in a sad condition, and the Great Commission for each local church should start in their community first.

Biblically speaking, it's not a choice of one or another, or doing one firsts and then the other. The Great Commission in Acts 1:8 says "BOTH in Jerusalem AND Judea...."