Biblical instruction vs personal opinion

Just believe what the bible says and stop all the personal interpretation.If the bible teaches two things that seem to be a paradox then believe them both and do not try and hold one above the other.

 

It seems to me that if you were truly convinced of the correctness of your own beliefs than Luke's posts would not bother you so much.

 

Exactly...

 

Or neither

 

Right. I don't think anybody is disputing this.

The point I am desperately trying to get across to STT and anyone else who does not yet realize it, is that we are not to allow darkness to go unchecked.
We are not to fellowship it. We are to reprove it. We are to demolish it. We are to contend against it. This is bible language for how God expects us to deal with darkness wherever we find it.

Darkness is not PEOPLE- it is ideas, philosophies, theologies, etc... that undermine the Christian Faith- the faith once and for all delivered unto the saints.

My enemy is not STT- my enemy is what IT SEEMS he espouses. I am not attacking him personally. I am attacking what appears to be his ideology- and all of us are supposed to do this too.

I am contending that it is unequivocally clear that much of modern fundamentalism does undermine the faith. I am in good company with many reputable evangelical scholars and leaders when I say MUCH of what is called "fundamentalism" today is cultic, legalistic and heretical.

What I am contending is that NO ABLE CHRISTIAN GETS TPT OUT OF HIS DUTY BEFORE GOD TO DEMOLISH THIS DARKNESS.

You don't get to say, "I think I will speak sweetly about it," or "I don't think I will be condemnatory; I will be more amiable towards it," etc...

That option is not available to you. You do not get to bypass your duty to DEMOLISH it (II Corinthians 10:5 for one of MANY examples).

And I am contending that we are losing our culture because we DON'T do this like we should- like God has commanded us to.

 

Luke's posts bother people because of his attitude and offensiveness. He does not "teach the truth in love". He talks down to his own brothers and sisters instead of fighting the real enemy.

 

Who is the real enemy Amy?

 

John,

Thanks you for thinking about this topic, you offer some solid thoughts on a much needed issue of our day, and I hope this is given priority on our board.

This is an important discussion for a few reasons. Each of us is prone to be deceived by our culture, personal biases, and a heart that is deceitful and desperately wicked. These internal barriers are not always recognized by us, but are ever present.

There are also external barriers to properly interpreting the Scripture. Such barriers include translation issues from the Greek to the English, understanding the cultural dynamics of the writings of Scripture, and deciphering between the various types of writing (poetic, prophetic, didactic, historic, etc.).

Some use these barriers and conclude that the Christian cannot rightly understand the Bible, but this is not true. There are areas where the Bible speaks clearly; the doctrine of perspicuity (clarity) of Scripture is Biblical.

The Bible can be interpreted by the Christian but there are people who are more wise, and some less, in rightly interpreting the Word of God. Elders/Pastors, for instance, should have been tested and proven to be faithful in their interpretation in order to teach the congregation. They should be more proven in their study of Scripture.

Pastors, however, can be in error. We only need history and the Bible to confirm this point. Paul had to confront Peter with error and Diotrophese was a scourge to his congregation. In history the church confronted Arianism, Modalism, Gnosticism, and a myriad of other heresies espoused by Pastors. Thus, we can conclude that interpretation is clear but also not simple.

How do we avoid error in Scripture? While we can rely upon God’s Word as the final authority in life and practice, we should first begin to understand that our interpretation could be wrought with error. Extra care needs to be taken on areas of theology to ensure we are rightly dividing the Word of Truth. Here are some suggestions in helping avoid error.

1. Faithful, verse by verse, preaching and teaching of God’s Word should be the main diet. A Christian will be forced to deal with the context as the preacher goes from verse to verse all while dealing with easy and difficult passages in Scripture.

2. A historic theological approach to theology. Since the Bible is perspicuous (clear), then Christians throughout history have normally been accurate in their interpretation. Historic theology allows us to see the development of theology that transcends our current culture or situation. Granted, the Bible is the final authority, but you are strengthened in seeing the theology transcend culture and people groups and you get an historic understanding of how they interpreted the verses. As theologians have often said, “If it is new it probably is not true, if it is true it probably is not new.” Historic study not only gives us theology that transcends culture, but helps us to see the importance of certain theologies. Thus, a denial of the Trinity is considered heretical but church government may vary.

3. Study and become proficient in the original languages. There is no substitute for seeing the nuances in the original languages.

4. Read great theologians from all eras in church history. If you read mostly from people since the 20th Century or 19th Century, you will miss the wisdom of other ages and more prone to a cultural interpretation of the verses, not necessarily a Biblical interpretation.

5. Be a member of a church which has a focus on all the above and is dedicated to this form of Biblical and historic theology.

The Bible is our authority, but we should acknowledge the barriers we face in Christian theology. Relying upon only me and my Bible (Solo Scriptura meaning only the Scriptures) jettisons the wisdom of the ages. Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) does not reject wisdom, preaching, other books, and helps in understanding the Scripture. In fact, it says that since the Bible is clear, you will not be the only person or group who discover this doctrine. Sola Scriptura says the Bible alone but recognizes that only the Bible could be harmful. We need others, the church, and faithful pastors who can see through the problems of our culture, recognize our internal deceptions, and confront other interpretative barriers.

 

That you have to ask this is indicative of the problem here, STT.

 

No, he called him Satan, John. He called Peter Satan.

 

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.



People who preach any other doctrine besides that of Christ and the apostles are the enemy. These people creep into the church unnoticed. They are not your brothers and sisters in Christ. They have been marked for damnation.

Your issue with bible versions, and IFB stuff has nothing to do with this. It's ok if you disagree, but do it in love. But these things are not damnable doctrines and you need to learn how to speak truth without cramming it down someone's throat. You will never change someone's mind by doing it that way. You only create division, which btw is also condemned in scripture.

 

You are wrong, Amy. And many reputable Christian scholars attest to this.

When a man says that his version of the Bible is the only reliable version in the world today and that all others are perversions- that man has blatantly undermined the doctrine of inspiration.

STT may not believe this- I have not said that he does- but if you read his HORRIBLE- absolutely HORRIBLE comments about the NIV- you'd be an absolute HYPOCRITE to correct me here and not LAMBASTE him for the same thing.

I have NEVER said anything on baptistboard as horrible about someone as he said about our brothers in Christ who translated the NIV (that at least some of them were Christian cannot be questioned).

People who say those kinds of horrifc things about the NIV usually belong to this KJVO cult that I am condemning and that God commands you to condemn as well.

And the KJVO is not the only heresy found within the ranks of IFB and movements like them. Baptist Bride, a belief that most if not all SBC are going to hell and just about every other movement along with them, a type of ex cathedra from the pastors of this movement, a cultic isolationism, a legalism based on extrabiblical standards, and the list goes on and on and on and on....

 

I admittedly do not read all of Luke's posts, but if someone posts something to me that truly bothers me, then either I need it or ignore it, not keep whining about it. And that is what this appears to be- at least to me.

 

You said Jesus only had sweet words for his followers.

Jesus called Peter Satan.

You were wrong.

just admit it. That is the first step toward the positive change any man needs. He must first have the humility to say, "I was wrong."

 

Well of course I am. :laugh:
Have you ever agreed with me on anything?

I just left my church of several years because the pastor claimed this very thing, so I am against it. But I know the pastor loves the Lord. He is in error and I pray the Lord corrects him. But I did not scream heretic at him when I left. I told him why I was leaving, told him the truth, but I did it in love. What he does with it is between him and God. This is where I think you go wrong. Tell the truth, yes. But you don't have to be rude and condescending. We do our job and trust God to do His.