People in US gangs have to be dealt with according to US civil law. Not so armed groups originating outside the US. Apples and oranges.
"Armed groups"? What "armed groups"? Criminals with box cutters?
And what ever happened to, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights.."
Since when did the government take the place of God? Why do they get to take away, "inalienable rights?" So I guess if you have a family member come over from overseas, and the government decides they don't like the way they look, they can just lock them up, without due process, even though they are innocent right?
The founders believed that these were rights that were given by our Creator, and were universal. I agree with them. No person should be imprisoned without due process. A "suspected" terrorist, is just that...a suspected criminal.
I know all this. But you said, "You are assuming that people overseas are somehow different than they are here."
There are cultural differences. Ideas about what is acceptable and fair play are different. I used to work with Middle-Easterners. They had very different attitudes which I won't get into here.
You are comparing them to "nice" white collar and suburban folk. Apparently you have not been to parts of the U.S. that I have been to.
That is the dumbest thing you have said. Is this what you do? When someone starts quoting history to you, you just stick your fingers in your ears and shout "conspiracy!" WE deposed the Iranian government. This is not "infowars nonsense" (I do NOT listen to kooky man Alex Jones). It is fact. WE installed, supported, and armed Saddam Hussein. This is also fact. We caused the problem of Iran (good grief man, pick up a history book! Have you never heard of the Iran contra affair?)
It is sad, in the extreme, that so many people are brainwashed by political talking points, into dismissing historical fact.
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I would like to see more of our troops brought home just like everyone else. I didn't even like being assigned to Germany back in the day! and I didn't like that my son was deployed to Iraq (twice).
But in a situation like 9/11 we had to respond.
The 9/11 response was a train wreck. Dr. Paul voted to go after Bin Laden, but then know what happened (I only ask because you do not seem to know much history...)? Bush Jr. changed the plan, once again, occupying Afghanistan, and trying to nation build. We attacked Iraq, who had little if anything to do with 9/11, and ignored our good buddy Saudi Arabia, who had a GREAT deal to do with it. They got away scott-free.
The troops need to come home. We are endangering their lives for nothing, and are only making things worse. Moreover, it is impossible to balance the budget, while they are overseas, since the overseas expenditures represent almost as much as the entire annual revenue of the Fed.
