No Resurrection of the Dead You Say! No Resurrection!
Oldregular finding Logos to be right smart these days--I think he's coming around to the Preterist view point after all.
You may think heresy is funny Logos but I don't and I don't think that God does either. I responded to each of your heretical assertions [with a little sarcasm thrown in]. You have answered nothing Mister Logos!. You respond with what? Nothing.
The point is not that you didn’t say where Christ was taken when he was taken up—the point is the apostles didn’t say where he was taken either—they confessed he disappeared out of their site and they relied on the two angels to tell him where he went.
And I rely on Scripture to tell me where He was taken.
Now if you want to say you are more inspired than the writers of the gospel and tell us you saw him go into heaven well that is no more far fetched than most of the rest of futurism so have at it.
Apparently you and others who believe as you do think that you are more correct than Scripture since you ignore so much of what it teaches.
Also note I never relied on these verses to make my case that Christ would return soon (nice try to put words in my mouth) there are many other verses in the bible that tell us it will be a soon return of Christ.
Actually you have not presented a single verse proving your heresy. But that is to be expected!
The point here is you answered my post disputing it would be soon with these verses.
You are being disingenuous Logos. I used these verses to show that when Jesus Christ returns it will be a visible return. You falsely claim that Jesus Christ returned in 70 AD. I asked you for proof, who saw Him. You are still chasing your tail.
I just have to gently remind you that they don’t say it will be a long time before he comes back.
I never claimed otherwise. In fact I specifically stated:
Hmmm, Hmmmm, Mister Logos1. The passages I presented say nothing about the time of the return. But they do say it will be a visible return. Now if you can see the Roman Army in Revelation 1:7 perhaps you can see the visible return of Jesus Christ in 70 AD!
With your naked eye that is.
I also gently remind you no other verses say it will be a long time before he comes back. Futurism is built on fantasy not scripture. Scripture is all on the side of Preterists. So you have never even started a legit case to dispute Preterism.
You keep using the term "futurism". I have no idea what you mean since there are different doctrines of the future and certain return of Jesus Christ just as there are different doctrines called preterism, some heretical and some not!
As for every eyes seeing him you seem to think the bible was written in English and you are free to interpret Rev 1:7 as naked eye. If you wish to seek the truth you will kindly note the greek word horao here denotes discernment not seeing with the naked eyeball.
Good try Logos! but you do err not knowing the Scripture.
9. And when he had spoken these things, while they BEHELD, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
11. Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Please read the passage and note the word "beheld" which I have emphasized.
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a primary word; TDNT - 5:315,706; v
KJV - see 90, take heed 12, behold 10, beware 4, look on 4, look 3, beware of 3, misc 9; 135
1) to see, discern, of the bodily eye
1a) with the bodily eye: to be possessed of sight, have the power of seeing
1b) perceive by the use of the eyes: to see, look descry
1c) to turn the eyes to anything: to look at, look upon, gaze at
1d) to perceive by the senses, to feel
1e) to discover by use, to know by experience
2) metaph. to see with the mind's eye
2a) to have (the power of) understanding
2b) to discern mentally, observe, perceive, discover, understand
2c) to turn the thoughts or direct the mind to a thing, to consider, contemplate, to look at, to weigh carefully, examine
NOTE Logos that the primary meaning is to see with the bodily eye.
So after several attempts you are still at ground zero on producing any verses that say Christ will be a long time in coming back or thousands of years into the future—Hmmm, might that be because no verses support your view and your fantasies are scriptural bankrupt and hopelessly devoid of support in the inspired writings. Hmmm, something for the futurist to ponder—two thousand years of failure and still counting.
You are still being disingenuous Mr. Logos!. I have never attempted to show Scripture saying that "Christ will be a long time in coming back". You in your heretical belief say that Jesus Christ returned in 70 AD.
I have simply attempted to get you to show either in Scripture, history, or tradition of the Church fathers, that Jesus Christ returned in 70 Ad and that His return was visible as Scripture states His return will be! You can't because it is not true. The Apostle John was apparently alive after 70 AD. Strange that he knew nothing of this return of his Savior and Lord.
As for the attempt to mask your failed interpretations by changing the argument to one of resurrection I’ll leave that to a different post. I don’t blame you for trying to change the subject—I’m just not biting tonight.
As for my question concerning your belief in the resurrection of the body it was very, very pertinent. It turns out my suspicions were correct. Full or hyper preterists do not believe in a bodily resurrection! Sad, very sad. Not only sad but heretical! More on this later.
Now if Logos! can only find ONE witness to the return of Jesus Christ in 70 AD!!!!
