Would You View Both Unversalism/Annihilation as Both heresys?

[JesusFan]

Are both doctrines non biblical and heretical?

Who is it annihilation can still be held, but one is wrong, not heretical?

Like John stott, who holds to it?


Has the Church held both to be heretical?

 

[Grasshopper]

Does the Baptist Board pay you a set salary or are you paid by the number of responses to you numerous daily posts?

 

[JesusFan]

Does the Baptist Board pay you a set salary or are you paid by the number of responses to you numerous daily posts?

just doing my predestined part in all of this!

 

[agedman]

Are both doctrines non biblical and heretical?

Who is it annihilation can still be held, but one is wrong, not heretical?

Like John stott, who holds to it?


Has the Church held both to be heretical?

Yes, both are heretical views.

I would not associate with an assembly that held and taught either or both views.

 

[preachinjesus]

How in God's glorious name can you conflate these two terms? Where do you come up with this stuff?

Great gravy man!

No annihilation isn't heretical.

Universalism, however, is heterodox.

But the two are COMPLETELY issues.

 

[agedman]

No annihilation isn't heretical.

Do you have Scriptures that the second death is not eternal?

Do you have Scriptures that the unbelieving do not spend eternity in the Second death.

Do you have Scriptures that every person who ever lived, is living, and will live will spend eternity in heaven?

 

[OldRegular]

Does the Baptist Board pay you a set salary or are you paid by the number of responses to you numerous daily posts?

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

Yes, both are heretical views.

I would not associate with an assembly that held and taught either or both views.

I am surprised the question was even asked.

 

[jbh28]

:tongue3:

 

[JesusFan]

I am surprised the question was even asked.

well, since some would hold that NOT both would be heretical?

 

[JesusFan]

Do you have Scriptures that the second death is not eternal?

Do you have Scriptures that the unbelieving do not spend eternity in the Second death.

Do you have Scriptures that every person who ever lived, is living, and will live will spend eternity in heaven?

Both heaven/hell described in the Greek as being of durations that are "with end/eternal/ever lasting" so both would assume to last forever!

matthew 25:46, so IF Hell has a fixed lenght of time, so does heaven!

 

[jaigner]

Has the Church held both to be heretical?

Which Church? The 1st Baptist Church of Alto, Texas, or the Church universal?

And it's "heresies." If you can't spell the subject you're bringing up, you're probably not ready to talk about it.

 

[JesusFan]

Which Church? The 1st Baptist Church of Alto, Texas, or the Church universal?

And it's "heresies." If you can't spell the subject you're bringing up, you're probably not ready to talk about it.

Church refers to the Doctrines held to be essentials/core doctrines of the faith that no true Christian would hold opposite of...

thanks for your correction, perhaps you casn ansewer the OP and "enlighten" me?

 

[agedman]

Which Church? The 1st Baptist Church of Alto, Texas, or the Church universal?

And it's "heresies." If you can't spell the subject you're bringing up, you're probably not ready to talk about it.

Not everyone is a "master" speller.

Spelling ability is not a qualifier of any topic that should or should not be discussed.

I point to D L Moody as an example. The man could hardly read when he began teaching the Scriptures to others.

Perhaps you forget that certain elements of education ability are more gifted to some than others.

Please do not consider yourself so educated that you cannot tolerate the mistakes, lack of editing, sentence structure, and spellings of others.

You might show ignorance isn't just in one who spells a bit differently.

 

[Amy.G]

:tongue3:

 

[agedman]

Both heaven/hell described in the Greek as being of durations that are "with end/eternal/ever lasting" so both would assume to last forever!

matthew 25:46, so IF Hell has a fixed lenght of time, so does heaven!

Very good and interesting observation!

Many (in my opinion) miss this when they make the statement "eternal hell" to a phrase.

You are correct, unbelievers, hell and death are "temporary."

They are all cast into the lake of fire which is the second death - it is there they reside for eternity.
See The Revelation 20:14-15

 

[preachinjesus]

Do you have Scriptures that the second death is not eternal?

Do you have Scriptures that the unbelieving do not spend eternity in the Second death.

Do you have Scriptures that every person who ever lived, is living, and will live will spend eternity in heaven?

I'm not here to defend annihilationism, but it isn't a heretical doctrine. You can't go there historically. You might find their claims difficult to accept or even in error, but in the history of the Church it has never been considered to be heretical and one can make a reasonable case for the doctrine biblically and theologically. Many of the most profound theologians in the last 500 years have held to some form of annihilationism.

Again, I'm not going to defend the belief because it's not worth my time here. Also because I don't hold it. But you can't make it heretical.

 

[th1bill]

I'm not here to defend annihilationism, but it isn't a heretical doctrine. You can't go there historically. You might find their claims difficult to accept or even in error, but in the history of the Church it has never been considered to be heretical and one can make a reasonable case for the doctrine biblically and theologically. Many of the most profound theologians in the last 500 years have held to some form of annihilationism.

Again, I'm not going to defend the belief because it's not worth my time here. Also because I don't hold it. But you can't make it heretical.

Now, i realize that I am late checking in here and I must admit I'm tempted to intentionally post a miss spell. <3 But my point is that annihilation is heresy and it is impossible to make a Biblical case for such without ignoring the context of all scripture.

 

[JesusFan]

I'm not here to defend annihilationism, but it isn't a heretical doctrine. You can't go there historically. You might find their claims difficult to accept or even in error, but in the history of the Church it has never been considered to be heretical and one can make a reasonable case for the doctrine biblically and theologically. Many of the most profound theologians in the last 500 years have held to some form of annihilationism.

Again, I'm not going to defend the belief because it's not worth my time here. Also because I don't hold it. But you can't make it heretical.

Would tend to agree with you on this, as onew holding to Universalism has to ignore the fall, Sin. atonement of the Cross limited to just those saved by grace of God etc...

have to be into full blown peligious, which was condemned by Church as heretical doctrine of salvation...

they have a faulty view on god, Sin, Judgement , cross etc!

Those into lost being destroyed tend to have correct doctrines in other areas, lost people there by same reasons that bible states for, just mistaken and wrong on that issue!