Ron Pauls Secret Weapon

[NiteShift]

You do know what the 'I in AIPAC stands for, and what Likud is, right?

Yes I know what the 'I' stands for. Do you know what the 'A' stands for? Aipac is made up of US citizens. The Israeli government is...the Israeli government. They don't always desire the same things. For Case in point see post #143

 

[NiteShift]

Good news is though their numbers are growing smaller everyday. I'm thinking maybe the last of the holdouts are here on BB. :smilewinkgrin:

Or more likely it just proves that the Ron Paul acolytes have a talent for swarming internet forums.

So what will you guys do when R.P. is too old to run anymore?

 

[InTheLight]

So what will you guys do when R.P. is too old to run anymore?

Rand Paul just turned 49 years old.

 

[Salty]

So what will you guys do when R.P. is too old to run anymore?

When he is too old?

 

[Havensdad]

Ron Paul is unelectable, although I admire many of his ideas. We elected his son to the US Senate from Kentucky, and I think this man has a destiny to fulfill. You mentioned Mitt Romney, and as I alluded to in another post, it is beyond me how a Christian could pull a lever for Mitt Romney, especially when most of the posters in this forum have spent three years writing why Obama is not a Christian. Romney belongs to a faith that says Jesus Christ is a created being and is not God, or fully Savior. The Mormon faith also puts the Book or Mormom above the Bible. It is my sincere hope the Republicans nominate someone else. Oh, and by the way, the person who in another thread compared voting for Kennedy in 1960 to Romney in 2012 does not understand different denominations. While we differ greatly from the Catholics, the Catholics believe that Jesus is fully Divine and fully God.

I do agree with your point about the military establishment holding power that belongs to we the people, as do the politicians from both parties who do nothing but steal our tax dollars and drain our power.

So, your for Obama?

And why do you buy into the media's "unelectable" garbage. There is no such thing. Paul is the only candidate, besides Mittens, who performs well against Obama in the polls. None of the other candidates can numerically win, because of them not being on the ballot in so many states (Santorum cannot even get on the ballot in California, apparently...that is basically game over).

So your only real choices, is Romney, Obama, or Paul. If you won't vote for Paul or Romney, then your voting for Obama.

 

[InTheLight]

And why do you buy into the media's "unelectable" garbage. There is no such thing.

The man is 76 years old. He IS unelectable for that reason. The media hasn't even brought up this point...yet.

It's one fact that Paul supporters do not address because there is no rebuttal.

 

[glfredrick]

So, your for Obama?

And why do you buy into the media's "unelectable" garbage. There is no such thing. Paul is the only candidate, besides Mittens, who performs well against Obama in the polls. None of the other candidates can numerically win, because of them not being on the ballot in so many states (Santorum cannot even get on the ballot in California, apparently...that is basically game over).

So your only real choices, is Romney, Obama, or Paul. If you won't vote for Paul or Romney, then your voting for Obama.

No one is "buying in" to any media perceptions about RP. He is his own worst enemy because he left a paper trail for all to read.

Ever hear of a guy named Ronald Reagan, whom most wrote off as unelectable? And, no, I am not comparing him to RP. RP is no Reagan, but Santorum may be...

 

[Havensdad]

No one is "buying in" to any media perceptions about RP. He is his own worst enemy because he left a paper trail for all to read.

Ever hear of a guy named Ronald Reagan, whom most wrote off as unelectable? And, no, I am not comparing him to RP. RP is no Reagan, but Santorum may be...

Santorum is completely unelectable. Besides being on video stating that he will actively stand against the Tea Party, and his ENORMOUS government voting record, it is not numerically possible at this point for Santorum to secure the nomination. He polls about 8 percent among independants in a match-up against Obama. Only Romney and Paul are competitive, according to the polls.

Thanks to the new Republican delegate rules, regarding proportional distribution (instead of "winner take all"), all Romney or Paul have to do is be somewhat competitive in each state, taking first, second, or third, and the 6 states which they will share exclusively will guarantee one of them the nomination. Santorum has 0 chance (he is having trouble even getting on the ballot in California), and Gingrich has a FAR worse chance than Paul.

As far as age, Reagan was just a few days short of 70 when he first took office, and was 74 when he was re-elected...so Ron Paul's age is certainly not a barrier!

 

[Havensdad]

The man is 76 years old. He IS unelectable for that reason. The media hasn't even brought up this point...yet.

It's one fact that Paul supporters do not address because there is no rebuttal.

I don't what network you watch. I have heard O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levine ALL bring this up.

I address it. Reagan was 74 when he took his second term. Nothing a strong VP pick won't fix. The category of people that this would hurt him the most with, i.e. young voters who are more worried about charisma, he TROUNCES the other GOP nominees in...

 

[poncho]

Here's Ron Paul's secret weapon.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=76304

 

[Havensdad]

Example:

In the latest poll, done by CNN:

Obama 52 Romney 45

Obama 52 Paul 45

Obama 56 Gingrich 40

Obama 57 Perry 39

 

[Havensdad]

And here is another poll released today...

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2012-presidential-campaign/poll-romney-paul-tie-obama-20120109


Not surprising, since 63 percent of the voting public in the U.S., AGREE with Ron Paul's foreign policy...


Hey American people, should we bring the troops home?

Yep

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/19/AR2009081903066.html

Yep

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014856-503544.html


Yep

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/06/09/6-in-10-americans-sharply-against-war-in-libya/

And don't take military action against Iran...55 to 36 Support Israel in attacking Iran? NOPE 50 to 46

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...titute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1677


Paul's ideas are "mainstream." The problem is that the ideas of those controlling the Republican nomination, are not.

 

[InTheLight]

I don't what network you watch. I have heard O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and Levine ALL bring this up.

I don't watch any of those people. I don't even know who Levine is. Besides, when you said media I presumed you meant the mainstream, left wing media. Have they brought it up?

I address it. Reagan was 74 when he took his second term.

Yes, Reagan was 69 when he was running for President. He was 73 when he was running for his second term. Ron Paul will be 77 years old when the Republican National convention is held.

Nothing a strong VP pick won't fix.

Anybody come to mind?

The category of people that this would hurt him the most with, i.e. young voters who are more worried about charisma, he TROUNCES the other GOP nominees in...

I don't necessarily buy into the idea that the age of the President is most worrisome to young people. I'm going to give that statement a big "We don't know that!"

 

[Havensdad]

I don't watch any of those people. I don't even know who Levine is. Besides, when you said media I presumed you meant the mainstream, left wing media. Have they brought it up?

Of course. Anderson Cooper, and Diane Sawyer, among others.

Yes, Reagan was 69 when he was running for President. He was 73 when he was running for his second term. Ron Paul will be 77 years old when the Republican National convention is held.

Since average life expectancy has raised 6 years in that time, it is roughly equivalent.

Anybody come to mind?

I would LOVE it to be a Paul/Paul ticket... (His son Rand). A complete outsider who is well versed on the Constitution and law would be good, too...maybe former Superior court judge Andrew Napolitano.

I don't necessarily buy into the idea that the age of the President is most worrisome to young people. I'm going to give that statement a big "We don't know that!"

Well, it certainly seems LIKELY.

FYI: Did you see the polls I posted? The ones which seem to belie your statement, saying Paul is the only one other than Romney, competitive with Obama?

 

[Salty]

Not surprising, since 63 percent of the voting public in the U.S., AGREE with Ron Paul's foreign policy...

Hey American people, should we bring the troops home?

That 63 % you mention - are they in favor of bringing home only those in combat zones - or bringing home all troops (Korea, USAEUR, Ships at Sea, Marine Embassy guards, ect)

 

[InTheLight]

FYI: Did you see the polls I posted? The ones which seem to belie your statement, saying Paul is the only one other than Romney, competitive with Obama?

I saw the main point of the poll, among the general public, Obama (46%) vs. Paul (45%). However, if you dig deeper into the poll you will find this:

Among Republican voters, if the nominee were....you would...
Enthusiastically support him: Paul 15% (second lowest)
Not support him: Paul 20% (highest)

Among Republican voters, which candidate has the best chance of beating Obama?

Romney 49%
Paul 4%

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57355596/cbs-news-polls-1-9-12/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

 

[Salty]

Among Republican voters, which candidate has the best chance of beating Obama?

Romney 49%
Paul 4%

ITL, when will you realize that you confuse people when you show facts....

 

[Havensdad]

I saw the main point of the poll, among the general public, Obama (46%) vs. Paul (45%). However, if you dig deeper into the poll you will find this:

Among Republican voters, if the nominee were....you would...
Enthusiastically support him: Paul 15% (second lowest)
Not support him: Paul 20% (highest)

I cannot find this data. However, as one Republican strategist said today, "They just say that. Whoever the nominee is, the people will support. They always do."

Among Republican voters, which candidate has the best chance of beating Obama?

Romney 49%
Paul 4%

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57355596/cbs-news-polls-1-9-12/?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Despite the fact that Paul performs well in a match -up. Wonder why Republicans think this; because establishment hacks like Karl Rove, have continually pushed the idea that "Paul can't win, Paul can't win " (repeat after me, media)..

But regardless what they THINK the polls don't back up their conclusion.

 

[InTheLight]

I cannot find this data.

It's at the link I posted, in the box below this headline:

Romney Leads and Santorum Surges into the Top Tier, But Voters Want More Choices:

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However, as one Republican strategist said today, "They just say that. Whoever the nominee is, the people will support. They always do."

Let's hope so. If a candidate can't get their base excited, they're dead.

Despite the fact that Paul performs well in a match -up. Wonder why Republicans think this;

It is a strange phenomena. Paul matches up well with Obama yet has never won a primary or caucus (IIRC).

But regardless what they THINK the polls don't back up their conclusion.

So far...

 

[InTheLight]

ITL, when will you realize that you confuse people when you show facts....

Possibly, but it is a compulsion that I have.