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Have any of your views changed?
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plain_n_simple
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Yes, I learned about, and discerned Calvinism. I learned that the church has many differing views within itself. If I walked up to a person and started talking about biblical views at church, I can now identify where they are coming from, without them stating "I am this or that." It's quite helpful. My views have not strayed but strengthed in the aspect of I know more of what is not God.
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Yes, the Calvinists have convinced me they are in error.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Your views may have changed but you did not learn anything!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
Oh, I learned a lot from the Calvinist and the god [notice little g] they have created. A god who is a monster responsible for all the sins of the world which he predestined for his own glory to show us how much he loves us.
Actually it sounds a bit like the Hindus and their view of their gods.
I am learning alot about psalm 2....looking at some posts here on BB.
Please edit your post. You are not allowed to tell Calvinist that they worship a false "god." Winman has created a thread about what views we have changed, not to be hostile to those that disagree with you. You are basically calling Calvinist unsaved by saying they worship a false "god."
oh, and what you said wasn't true either. It would be interesting if anyone on here actually believes that God is responsible for our sins and not us. Could you share with us anyone that has actually said that? Or did you just make that up. Again, you post was out of line and not with the OP.
Plain n Simple is really the only one that has answered the question. I would be like him in that I have learned opposing views and where they are coming from. It's one thing to know what someone else believes. Its another to understand why they believe it.
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Tom Butler
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I have not changed my views since joining the Baptist Board, but about 15 years ago, I underwent a radical re-evaluation of the way we as Baptists present the gospel.
This came as the result of a mission trip to Romania. After observing Romanian Baptists and talking with some of their pastors, I came to question the invitation system, the use (or mis-use) of the Roman Road, and the Sinners' Prayer.
It was a painful process, because I had taken those things for granted. To have to question the way they were abused was unpleasant, to say the least.
Notice that I did not say that they were wrong. It was their mis-use and abuse. I came to believe that this explains why churches have difficulty getting half their members to church on any Sunday.
This came as the result of a mission trip to Romania. After observing Romanian Baptists and talking with some of their pastors, I came to question the invitation system, the use (or mis-use) of the Roman Road, and the Sinners' Prayer.
It was a painful process, because I had taken those things for granted. To have to question the way they were abused was unpleasant, to say the least.
Notice that I did not say that they were wrong. It was their mis-use and abuse. I came to believe that this explains why churches have difficulty getting half their members to church on any Sunday.
I have become more reformed in my theology.
I have also learned that some people refuse to change because they are scared of change, not simply because they cannot face the truth. With some people their beliefs are so deeply ingrained that to change would completely destroy the comfortable world that they live in.
I have also learned that some people refuse to change because they are scared of change, not simply because they cannot face the truth. With some people their beliefs are so deeply ingrained that to change would completely destroy the comfortable world that they live in.
Great observation, Tom!!!!
Traditions of men, become doctrine in the minds of many.
None of my beliefs have changed, but I have learned a few things.
One is that it is rarely worth joining in a debate on Calvinism and Arminianism since they generate far more heat than light.
Another is that I have gained a new respect for some of my Dispensational brethren. My previous experiences had led me to believe that they were all a bit crazy. There are a few like that on the B.B. (Beam me up, Scotty!), but I have been impressed with the well thought out positions of many of them. Having said that, I remain a convinced Amil, but anyone who believes that the Lord Jesus is returning is OK by me.
Fianally, although I had read about Hyper-preterism, I had never corresponded with anyone who believed in it, and I had doubts as to whether anyone could be bonkers enough to do so. I know better now.
Steve
One is that it is rarely worth joining in a debate on Calvinism and Arminianism since they generate far more heat than light.
Another is that I have gained a new respect for some of my Dispensational brethren. My previous experiences had led me to believe that they were all a bit crazy. There are a few like that on the B.B. (Beam me up, Scotty!), but I have been impressed with the well thought out positions of many of them. Having said that, I remain a convinced Amil, but anyone who believes that the Lord Jesus is returning is OK by me.
Fianally, although I had read about Hyper-preterism, I had never corresponded with anyone who believed in it, and I had doubts as to whether anyone could be bonkers enough to do so. I know better now.
Steve
convicted1
Guest
My view on the Trinity has changed. I guess this has caused me more trouble than most. When I was first saved, I thought God was Jesus. It was God, Son, and Holy Ghost, all as one Being. Not three in One, but One manifested in three. Let's put it this way. I was God only, much the way some are "Jesus only".
Later, I was convinced that Jesus was not God, but the Son of God. I guess this would be considered modalism?? Through studying, and reading posts, and debates, I came to truly see the Trinity as Three in One.
Later, I was convinced that Jesus was not God, but the Son of God. I guess this would be considered modalism?? Through studying, and reading posts, and debates, I came to truly see the Trinity as Three in One.
preacher4truth
Active Member
I don't know what "views" means to the originator of the OP.
If any person on here hasn't learned something from others, and voted that way, that it has never happened, frankly, well, I'll let you guess what that means.
Everyone has learned something here, and I'm not talking negative things, positives are included. Let the pugnacious take off from this and express themselves as such.
May I suggest that this isn't what the OP is getting at, but is rather the following instead.
The OP (knowing the author via the BB) is merely written with the objective end, that no non-cal has learned a thing from a cal, and that all cal attempts have failed in that endeavor, that is, to change the "views" of non-cals.
I'd say this would be the objective of this thread.
If any person on here hasn't learned something from others, and voted that way, that it has never happened, frankly, well, I'll let you guess what that means.
Everyone has learned something here, and I'm not talking negative things, positives are included. Let the pugnacious take off from this and express themselves as such.
May I suggest that this isn't what the OP is getting at, but is rather the following instead.
The OP (knowing the author via the BB) is merely written with the objective end, that no non-cal has learned a thing from a cal, and that all cal attempts have failed in that endeavor, that is, to change the "views" of non-cals.
I'd say this would be the objective of this thread.
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We all can learn from others, even those that we strongly disagree with. A major change in theology isn't required to learn from someone else. We have to remember that we are all on the same side, the side of Christ. While we may disagree some issues(end times, Bible versions, Covenant vs Disp. Cal vs nonCal) we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
convicted1
Guest
I agree with this post 100%. The sad part is that too many times we act like the other side of the debate is the enemy. This is sad. :tear:
preacher4truth
Active Member
Obviously some don't agree that all of us are brothers and sisters in Christ, as we "Cals" are considered to worship a "god" and not "God."
convicted1
Guest
I agree. There are tons of vitriol spewed on both sides of the debate. We need to do better, myself included. I love my Brethren, and I stand with them, even when we disagree on points of doctrine.
Yes, I'm afraid there will be a lot of us eating heavenly crow. :laugh: