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Salvation After Death
- Thread starter mandym
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Only God knows for sure what God will do.
Christos doulos
New Member
My friend. I would say it is not an orthodox doctrine, and it is worth dividing over. This "doctrine" damages soteriology-the doctrines of salvation.
It totally bypasses the ongoing work of salvation by Jesus Christ in the believer's daily walk in victory; being conformed to the image and likeness of Christ.
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convicted1
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Absolutely not. The rich man in hell communed with Abraham, and in all that he said, not once did he ask Abraham to "get me out of here". But rather, he was desirious of one drop of water to cool his burning tongue.
If they were given a chance after death, no one would stay there. All would believe and be saved, IMO.
If they were given a chance after death, no one would stay there. All would believe and be saved, IMO.
Christos doulos
New Member
Great point! The rich man never lost his self-righteousness, as he still treated Lazarus as a common beggar who would still do his bidding in sending Lazarus.
Paul Washer said, (paraphrasing) if God flew open the door to hell and and said, whoever repents can come out; they would slam the door in His face.
convicted1
Guest
I don't know if all would slam the door shut, but some/most would be idiotic enough to do so. I do think some would take Him up on the offer, though.
This looks like the polar opposite of my previous post, huh?
Christos doulos
New Member
My friend. If one didn't want God in life. Why would they want Him in death? What changed?
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convicted1
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Maybe the flames?
Christos doulos
New Member
My friend. First of all I do not believe hell has a fire that we see here on earth, second the bible says, we are all born at enmity with God, and only God can soften our hearts towards Him.
People in hell have hard hearts. Pharoh went through (pun intended) hell and his heart never changed toward God.
convicted1
Guest
You're probably right. Something like this isn't very fruitful, if you ask me. We both know that no one in hell will ever be afforded the opportunity to begin with. Our fate is sealed the very instant we die, whether we are saved or not.
My pastor states that Hell itself has a door locked form the inside, as NONE who went there even want to have a chance to go to heaven!
To paraphrase satan in Miltons paradise lost : beiier to rule in hell than serve in heaven"
The lost go there when judged by God, as he will say to them "Thy will be done"
that is why no chance of saved after death here, as those lost/away from presense of God have decided to have their will get done forever!
ONLY place vcan even attempt to get that one can get 'second chance" is in peter letter, and that would be referencing either the HS preaching through Noah to flood generation, or else to when Jesus raised and took Abrahams bosum out from hades to heaven when he ascended!
1 cor 15:22 1st pt For as in Adam all die,
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
What all is inclusive in judgement? Let's think about an Inca Indian prior to Columbus. Or maybe that infant before he could "have faith to be born again."
Man only comes to God by Him acting first in mans life. Since hell is the absence of Gods work on man, the absolute absence of HIM...man will not, cannot seek Him on their own. They would have no desire apart from Him, and where they are at they cannot get any further from Him
Michael Wrenn
New Member
No need for me to vote, but I am reading with interest. 
Layman
Active Member
Salvation must occur in this life through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. After death, there are no second chances or opportunities for conversion, since the eternal destiny of each soul is already determined based on their response to the Gospel during their lifetime.
What was the point of this preaching?:
1st Peter Chapter 3
18 | Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; |
19 | in which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison, |
20 | that aforetime were disobedient, when the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water: |
21 | which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; |
22 | who is one the right hand of God, having gone into heaven; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. |
Dave G
Well-Known Member
Not according to His word He doesn't:
" And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." ( Hebrews 9:27-28 ).
After this life comes the Judgement.
The only thing in between is the place where we wait for that event to take place:
1) Either in Hell ( where the lost go )
2) Or in Heaven, where the saved go to be with the Lord until He comes again...bringing all of us with Him at His second coming.
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Dave G
Well-Known Member
If by "orthodox" do you mean "do the majority of those who profess Christ hold to it?"?
Then by this definition it may very well be true.
But in these last days where most are departing from the faith once delivered unto the saints, there are a lot of things that are held to by those who profess Christ that I don't see as being Scriptural.
Regrettably, I would indeed divide over this...
And anything else that's held to, that Peter, Paul, John and the Lord Jesus Himself did not teach or preach.