Timely Salvations

[Forest]

I am in total agreement with everything quoted here. I am not in agreement with the idea that the simple fact that a person studies the OT, or the bible for that matter, means they must have been born again (regenerated). It seems to be saying that any APPEARANCE of interest in biblical things can only come from the new birth. Satan himself is knowledgable of the Bible. Jesus said many would come to him and point to their good deeds done in his name, and he would say "Depart from me, I never knew you."

Forest seems to be saying that if they had that bible head-knowledge, or if they were doing any good deeds, then Jesus actually does know them,..they are His. Even though they reject him, and do not have the belief in Him that is the evidence of the new birth. (see back to 1 John).

I'm not saying depraved man can do anything good in God's sight. I am saying that a depraved, unregenerate, unelect man CAN learn some head-knowledge about the Bible without that in itself being evidence of the new birth.

Can you give me your explination of 1 Cor 2:14?

 

[Forest]

I did a search, and used "thy salvation", and came up with 41 verse references. When I did a search using "thy salvationS, it came up a big "goose egg". There is only ONE salvation, given by ONE Lord, who performed ONE sacrifice, to accomplish the ONE will of the Father.

Salvation is a deliverance from a dead state of sin into a lively hope in Christ Jesus the Lord. There is only ONE salvation, and that ONE is eternal in existance.

When you are ill and you ask God for healing, and he does heal you, that is a timely deliverance (salvation). When you come to a knowledge of the truth, that is a timely salvation, example in Rom 10. There are many salvations (deliverances) we receive as we live here in this world. Most of the salvation scriptures are refering to timely salvations.

 

[kyredneck]

I did a search, and used "thy salvation", and came up with 41 verse references. When I did a search using "thy salvationS, it came up a big "goose egg". There is only ONE salvation, given by ONE Lord, who performed ONE sacrifice, to accomplish the ONE will of the Father.

Salvation is a deliverance from a dead state of sin into a lively hope in Christ Jesus the Lord. There is only ONE salvation, and that ONE is eternal in existance.

When you are ill and you ask God for healing, and he does heal you, that is a timely deliverance (salvation). When you come to a knowledge of the truth, that is a timely salvation, example in Rom 10. There are many salvations (deliverances) we receive as we live here in this world. Most of the salvation scriptures are refering to timely salvations.

Willis is mainstream on this. EVERYBODY knows that getting 'saved' is a ONE time event. Hardly anyone sees it as the ongoing process throughout the believer's life that it is.

 

[annsni]

When you are ill and you ask God for healing, and he does heal you, that is a timely deliverance (salvation). When you come to a knowledge of the truth, that is a timely salvation, example in Rom 10. There are many salvations (deliverances) we receive as we live here in this world. Most of the salvation scriptures are refering to timely salvations.

Salvation - the act of being saved of our sins and receiving eternal life - is a one time act in our lives and occurs when God saves us. It is not when we are healed of an illness. It is not when we are given a new job. It is not when we are saved from a car accident. I have NO clue where you say that these are "salvation".

 

[kyredneck]

Salvation - the act of being saved of our sins and receiving eternal life - is a one time act in our lives and occurs when God saves us.......

Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16

So, I wonder when this 'one time act' was going to occur for Timothy and his flock.

 

[Forest]

Salvation - the act of being saved of our sins and receiving eternal life - is a one time act in our lives and occurs when God saves us. It is not when we are healed of an illness. It is not when we are given a new job. It is not when we are saved from a car accident. I have NO clue where you say that these are "salvation".

There is a salvation in coming unto a knowledge of the truth, but it is not eternal salvation, but a salvation that we receive here in this world as soon as we have been revealed that knowledge. Rom 10 is an example of such salvation that comes from giving up your dependence of your own righteous works and submiting yourselves unto the righteousness of God. The Greek meaning of salvation is "a deliverance".

 

[kyredneck]

Salvation - the act of being saved of our sins and receiving eternal life - is a one time act in our lives and occurs when God saves us.....

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

'Working out your own salvation' is NOT a 'one time act', but a lifetime endeavor.

The Spiritual birth from above which gives us the faith and the good works IS a one time act.

But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. Jn 3:21

 

[annsni]

Take heed to thyself, and to thy teaching. Continue in these things; for in doing this thou shalt save both thyself and them that hear thee. 1 Tim 4:16

So, I wonder when this 'one time act' was going to occur for Timothy and his flock.

When they save themselves!! See?

 

[Darrell C]

As is rightly said, we have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved.

Which of these three speak of salvation in Christ which is without doubting Eternal Salvation?

God bless.

 

[annsni]

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

'Working out your own salvation' is NOT a 'one time act', but a lifetime endeavor.

The Spiritual birth from above which gives us the faith and the good works IS a one time act.

But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. Jn 3:21

Our salvation IS a one time act but there is an aspect that is a lifetime endeavor. These are justification and sanctification. But the justification - our standing before God IS a one time act. It is not a process and it occurs at the moment of our salvation - that is what you are saying is the spiritual birth from above.

The "working out your salvation" is working OUT your salvation - not working FOR your salvation. Read the next verse: for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. God works IN you so you work OUT . God does the inside work - and from that inside work, you do the outside work. It doesn't earn you salvation but is a sign of the salvation.

 

[kyredneck]

Our salvation IS a one time act but there is an aspect that is a lifetime endeavor. These are justification and sanctification. But the justification - our standing before God IS a one time act. It is not a process and it occurs at the moment of our salvation - that is what you are saying is the spiritual birth from above.

The "working out your salvation" is working OUT your salvation - not working FOR your salvation. Read the next verse: for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure. God works IN you so you work OUT . God does the inside work - and from that inside work, you do the outside work. It doesn't earn you salvation but is a sign of the salvation.

No annsni, you're stuck in the notion that saved is synonymous with the birth from above, and it is not.

'it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work'

'when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law...they show the work of the law written in their hearts'

It is the good ground of the circumcised heart that produces the fruit of faith and works.

Faith and good works come by NATURE of the heavenly birth. One must FIRST be born from above.

 

[convicted1]

When you are ill and you ask God for healing, and he does heal you, that is a timely deliverance (salvation). When you come to a knowledge of the truth, that is a timely salvation, example in Rom 10. There are many salvations (deliverances) we receive as we live here in this world. Most of the salvation scriptures are refering to timely salvations.

Salvation happens to the soul and not the flesh. The soul is saved one time, and needs no other "act" later on. When we are sick, and God blesses us and heals us, that is not any part salvation; it's a divine healing from God.

 

[Forest]

Salvation happens to the soul and not the flesh. The soul is saved one time, and needs no other "act" later on. When we are sick, and God blesses us and heals us, that is not any part salvation; it's a divine healing from God.

Salvation is a deliverance and we are delivered from the illness when God heals us. If you apply all the salvation scriptures to eternal you will never get the scriptures to harmonise. Most salvtion scriptures are refering to timely deliverances, otherwise you will be having man eternally saving himself by his works and that will not harmonise.

 

[convicted1]

Salvation is a deliverance and we are delivered from the illness when God heals us. If you apply all the salvation scriptures to eternal you will never get the scriptures to harmonise. Most salvtion scriptures are refering to timely deliverances, otherwise you will be having man eternally saving himself by his works and that will not harmonise.

No, man can never save himself. What you are confusing salvation with, is with being healed from a sickness of the flesh. Our flesh gets weak/sick, and does need healing from time-to-time. When God saves the soul, He does this once, and never gets sick again(soul that is), and needs no other "act" of deliverance. We have passed from death unto life when He saves our soul.

 

[Amy.G]

Salvation is a deliverance and we are delivered from the illness when God heals us. If you apply all the salvation scriptures to eternal you will never get the scriptures to harmonise. Most salvtion scriptures are refering to timely deliverances, otherwise you will be having man eternally saving himself by his works and that will not harmonise.

Could you post some verses where salvation is referring to "timely deliverances"?

 

[Amy.G]

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Could you post some verses where salvation is referring to "timely deliverances"?

 

[Forest]

No, man can never save himself. What you are confusing salvation with, is with being healed from a sickness of the flesh. Our flesh gets weak/sick, and does need healing from time-to-time. When God saves the soul, He does this once, and never gets sick again(soul that is), and needs no other "act" of deliverance. We have passed from death unto life when He saves our soul.

I totally agree with that, there are not too many scriptures that speak of eternal salvation, because it is a one time salvation, but a lot of the other scriptures speaking of salvation is refering to timely deliverances. The gospel is written to God's elect, and not to those who are not his elect, for the purpose of instructing his elect as to how they should live their lives as they sojourn here in this world. There is not any scriptures in the gospel telling us how we can get eternally saved, but there is scriptures telling us how that we WERE saved and that is by the work of Ghrist on the cross for all of those that God gave him, John 6:37-41.

 

[Forest]

No, man can never save himself. What you are confusing salvation with, is with being healed from a sickness of the flesh. Our flesh gets weak/sick, and does need healing from time-to-time. When God saves the soul, He does this once, and never gets sick again(soul that is), and needs no other "act" of deliverance. We have passed from death unto life when He saves our soul.

Thats right, no man can save himself. So the scripture that says "save yourselves from this untoward generation is talking about a timely deliverance (salvation). The Greek meaning for the word "salvation" is "a deliverance".

 

[Forest]

Could you post some verses where salvation is referring to "timely deliverances"?

I will give you one that is most commonly missquoted; Romans 10, Before we begain we have to understand that "Israel" is a type and shadow of God's elect which are found in the leinage of Jacob. God changed Jacob's name to "Israel", Gen 32:28. So Paul is praying that the elect might be saved. Now we know that the elect are already saved eternally, so this would be a timely salvation that Paul is trying to teach them. Paul said "they have a zeal of God" which further substansuates the fact that they are already eternally saved. He says, even though they have a zeal of God, it is not according to knowledge. For they are going about to (establish their own righteousness, and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God), this is the sin that Paul is telling them to confess and repent of and they shall be saved (delivered)(the greek meaning of salvation is "a deliverance". Verse 13, saved means delivered from believing in your own righteousness. Nothing in the whole chapter 10 is talking about eternal salvation but a timely salvaion. I know this is rather lengthy, but I didn't know how to be breif and explain it where you could understand.

 

[annsni]

I will give you one that is most commonly missquoted; Romans 10, Before we begain we have to understand that "Israel" is a type and shadow of God's elect which are found in the leinage of Jacob. God changed Jacob's name to "Israel", Gen 32:28. So Paul is praying that the elect might be saved. Now we know that the elect are already saved eternally, so this would be a timely salvation that Paul is trying to teach them. Paul said "they have a zeal of God" which further substansuates the fact that they are already eternally saved. He says, even though they have a zeal of God, it is not according to knowledge. For they are going about to (establish their own righteousness, and have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God), this is the sin that Paul is telling them to confess and repent of and they shall be saved (delivered)(the greek meaning of salvation is "a deliverance". Verse 13, saved means delivered from believing in your own righteousness. Nothing in the whole chapter 10 is talking about eternal salvation but a timely salvaion. I know this is rather lengthy, but I didn't know how to be breif and explain it where you could understand.

Once again, you are the only one to hold this interpretation. No scholar, no commentary, no theologian agrees with you. The Scriptures are clear in Romans 10 that it speaks of eternal salvation - not "earthly deliverances". :BangHead: