Scripture proves scripture. If they do not harmonise then you do not understand the truth. Confessing and repenting are works of man and eternal salvation is not by the works of man, therefore Rom 10 is not talking about eternal salvation. I realise that my thinking on Rom 10 puts me in the minority, but when Jesus was here on earth, wasen't his doctrine in the minority?
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Timely Salvations
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Being in the minority doesn't make one right. Being the ONLY one with a particular doctrine makes me say "Something is wrong with this doctrine if no other believer ever in Christian history understood this." I'm sorry but Scripture completely harmonizes with regards to this subject but your conclusion does not. Romans 10 is talking about eternal salvation completely. Yes, confessing and repenting are man's side of the coin but God gives us the ability to do those things. He changes our hearts to be able to confess and repent.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I log into the BB these days.
I do as well. The weirdness is just coming out of the woodwork.
The context of Romans 10 (as is with all of Romans) is righteousness, the sinfulness of man and the cross of Christ. It can be nothing else other than eternal salvation of man. But....I am suspicious that this is about propping up a hyper charismatic doctrine rather than truth.
So, are you saying that God makes it possiable for our works to save us eternally when he plainly tells us that it is by grace and not by works? That sounds like it contradicts itself.
She made clear the exact opposite of that.
convicted1
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Amen, Sissy, amen......:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
convicted1
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I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I log into the BB these days.
You need to keep your fangers away from the electrical outlets. It does nothing for your new hairdo, don't you know? :smilewinkgrin:
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone when I log into the BB these days.
Seriously. (is there a flying saucer smilie around anywhere???)
That's the one!!!
Seriously, are we here to discuss scriptures or flying saucers?
convicted1
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Well, some things being purported are "out there", so you decide....
When you deny the eternal value in Romans 10 then there is nothing to take seriously. All that is left is flying saucers and
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Consider the thread of paul's reasoning in Rom. 9-10"
Rom. 9:1-3 - Paul is in anguish and sorrow for his fellow Jews, so much so that if himself being accursed would help them be saved, he would wish it.
Rom. 10:1-4 - Paul prays for his fellow jews that they may be saved, because they are depending on their righteousness to save them and not submitting to God's righteousness that comes through christ.
Rom 10: 9-10 - Belief is not only what leads to being "saved" but "justified."!
Rom. 10: 14-15 - Paul shows that people need to go and tell the good news.
If all of this is speaking of ONLY temporal salvation, we have a few hard questions:
1. Why get so worked up "in anguish" and "sorrow" if they are actually elect and will be ultimately saved whether they believe or not. (remember it is the PB view that since they were pursuing righteousness, however incorrectly, it is evidence of their regeneration, even if they rejected Jesus).
2. Is Rom. 10:10 speaking of a "timely" or temporal "justification"? Because Justification in Romans seems to be related to our state before God that determines our eternal acceptance by him.
Rom. 9:1-3 - Paul is in anguish and sorrow for his fellow Jews, so much so that if himself being accursed would help them be saved, he would wish it.
Rom. 10:1-4 - Paul prays for his fellow jews that they may be saved, because they are depending on their righteousness to save them and not submitting to God's righteousness that comes through christ.
Rom 10: 9-10 - Belief is not only what leads to being "saved" but "justified."!
Rom. 10: 14-15 - Paul shows that people need to go and tell the good news.
If all of this is speaking of ONLY temporal salvation, we have a few hard questions:
1. Why get so worked up "in anguish" and "sorrow" if they are actually elect and will be ultimately saved whether they believe or not. (remember it is the PB view that since they were pursuing righteousness, however incorrectly, it is evidence of their regeneration, even if they rejected Jesus).
2. Is Rom. 10:10 speaking of a "timely" or temporal "justification"? Because Justification in Romans seems to be related to our state before God that determines our eternal acceptance by him.
You are sounding very much like those who criticised Jesus's doctrine in his days on the earth.When you deny the eternal value in Romans 10 then there is nothing to take seriously. All that is left is flying saucers and
Is it my understanding that you believe that the natural man, void of the Spirit, will pursue righteousness? If so, what is your explination of 1 Cor 2:14?, and Ps 10:4?
convicted1
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convicted1
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From what I read of his posts, he sure doesn't believe this. None of us on here believe this. We just disagre with your "flavor of the month".