Featured ...but what of His Holiness?

Duoh... :tonofbricks:

 

Only a handful of people on this board would equate that to what you have accused Skan of. Bravo.

 

I like to start with the words of Christ. Can a good tree bring forth evil fruit?

 

You don't understand one's union with Christ. The good that I have is all of Christ. I am a partaker of the divine nature, incorruptible and cannot sin, 1 John 3:9. Christ's part in my union with Him is the good. My part in my union with Him, is the evil.

The argument you're attempting to make is fallacious on two fronts: 1) It is devoid of an informed view of the Atonement, and 2) It ignores Christ's words.

So, back to my question. Can a good tree bring forth evil fruit?

 

You still don't understand the believer's union with Christ. Applying your thinking to a marriage, you are insisting that either party is sometimes a male and at othertimes female.* I could ask you, since your marriage, are you a female or not?

I would take this time to warn you, that if you think any good fruit you believe you bear is anything other than Christ, then you stand in dire need of self-examination.

As I said, all I bring to my union with Christ is my sin. My righteousness was wholly accomplished 2000 years ago.

But Adam had no union with Christ. There is comparing neither his innocent nor fallen estate with those who do. So spare us your uninformed cavils.

So I ask a third time: According to Jesus, can a good tree bring forth evil fruit?

*Even after studying it, many do not see that the man and the woman become one flesh (and that has nothing to do with sex). God has joined them. They are not individuals, and have all things in common.

 

Your questions betray you, and I have answered it.

No.

No.

You still don't get it, but even if your premises were correct, your questions are irrelevant because Adam had and has no union with Christ.

Nope.

Nope. One might say by the bad fruit, that the tree had fallen.

As do I.

A tree doesn't become corrupt by reason of its bad fruit. A tree has bad fruit by reason of its corruption.

Just once, you should let the words of Christ govern your thinking. I know it will hurt your pride, and you'll have to get a new dawg, but just once....

Adam was created good. Christ said a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. So if Adam did bring forth evil fruit, corruption had to have set in. Now, what was the corrupting influence?

 

He is in control of everything. I have never stated anything to the contrary. He will allow things to go so far, and when He deems to do so, He will stop it.

I agree with this. Satan is the one who stirs up the trouble in our life. God is not the Author of confusion/sin.

In 1 Samuel 16, let's start with the very first verse.

1 Samuel 16:1 And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons.


Why did God reject Saul?

Here's why:

Right here is where God rejected Saul as Israel's king. Although God knew this would happen all along.

The reason why the Spirit of the Lord left Saul was because God pushed him out as king, and gave it to David. God's providence was no longer over Saul, but was now upon David. By Saul's continual rejection of God's commands, God "nipped him in the bud". This evil spirit was used to shove Saul to the "sidelines", IOW. God is in control of ALL spirits. If He tells one to "move" they move.

 

I'm trying to get iconoclast's contention that ordaining evil is different than authoring it. Also, that God does not permit or allow evil but rather ordains/foreordained it. I guess that means he willed and then decreed every evil deed that ever occurred or will occur to occur. He somehow gave men a free will but only to make himself not culpable to the sins that he decreed or ordered that they commit. Is that right?

 

Wait. I thought you said that God doesn't "allow" any evil, he only ordains/decrees/predestines it.

So did God merely set the boundary and allow Satan have the power to do whatever was in his mind to do to Job, or did God actually decree/predestine every single thing for Satan to do?

I'm glad to hear you say this, although it seems inconsistent with your expressions of God never "allowing" evil but rather "ordaining" it.

 

It's a joy to read your biblically orthodox and systematically biblically consistent views. I'm glad you're here, Skandelon!

 

:laugh: :laugh:

There's a ditch coming around the corner.

 

I almost agree with you...

Two differences...

First, God had to allow that to happen or it would not have happened, but that does not take away the fact that choice WAS available in FREE Adam and FREE Satan.

Second, we no longer have the same freedom as did Adam. He is the cause of our separation from God and ever after Adam we are separated from God -- sin -- that only Christ can remove. Our "sins" stem from our separation but we are already separated before we commit the first act of sin that we recognize as such.