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ANy herre Hold to Second Act of Grace/baptism of the Holy Ghost?
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Michael Wrenn
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Do you hold to either second act of Grace leading to sinless perfection, or else the pentacostal view of second empowering from HS to have power to live for God?
No, I do not.
BTW...some do believe in a second work of grace that has nothing to do with charismatic upheavals. They see sanctification as a second work of grace. The Church of the Nazarene holds to this idea. Essentially you are saved in the first work of grace. Then at some point, either at the moment of salvation or some time later, God does a second work of grace where you become totally sold out to God and dedicated to holy living. Free will plays into this as they hold that you choose to be saved for the first work of grace and you choose to be holy/sanctified for the second work to occur.
BTW...some do believe in a second work of grace that has nothing to do with charismatic upheavals. They see sanctification as a second work of grace. The Church of the Nazarene holds to this idea. Essentially you are saved in the first work of grace. Then at some point, either at the moment of salvation or some time later, God does a second work of grace where you become totally sold out to God and dedicated to holy living. Free will plays into this as they hold that you choose to be saved for the first work of grace and you choose to be holy/sanctified for the second work to occur.
'state of sinless perfection", they had to backtrack to mean NOT without sin any longer, but that One herat/devotion was totally focused on Jesus and the Word, was always bent towards obeying Him, just was still faining at times!
Michael Wrenn
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BTW...some do believe in a second work of grace that has nothing to do with charismatic upheavals. They see sanctification as a second work of grace. The Church of the Nazarene holds to this idea. Essentially you are saved in the first work of grace. Then at some point, either at the moment of salvation or some time later, God does a second work of grace where you become totally sold out to God and dedicated to holy living. Free will plays into this as they hold that you choose to be saved for the first work of grace and you choose to be holy/sanctified for the second work to occur.
It actually means more than that; if that's all it meant, I could accept it.
It actually means more than that; if that's all it meant, I could accept it.
It does mean more than that. My intent was to put it in its most simple form. The reason I did that is because how they define or describe sanctification beyond that brief statement can vary greatly.
Michael Wrenn
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It does mean more than that. My intent was to put it in its most simple form. The reason I did that is because how they define or describe sanctification beyond that brief statement can vary greatly.
Okay, I understand.
preacher4truth
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BTW...some do believe in a second work of grace that has nothing to do with charismatic upheavals. They see sanctification as a second work of grace. The Church of the Nazarene holds to this idea. Essentially you are saved in the first work of grace. Then at some point, either at the moment of salvation or some time later, God does a second work of grace where you become totally sold out to God and dedicated to holy living. Free will plays into this as they hold that you choose to be saved for the first work of grace and you choose to be holy/sanctified for the second work to occur.
Mont, I didn't see your post as an exhaustive representation, but describing the basic belief in this second act.
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, a Calvinist I believe taught this about the 2nd act as well. I have a book of his in my stack that I will get to sometime soon I hope titled "Joy Unspeakable."
Okay, I understand.
I do apologize if I caused any unnecessary confusion.
Mont, I didn't see your post as an exhaustive representation, but describing the basic belief in this second act.
D. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, a Calvinist I believe taught this about the 2nd act as well. I have a book of his in my stack that I will get to sometime soon I hope titled "Joy Unspeakable."
Think DL Moody referenced in one of his books that he experience a frther 'quickening; by the HS after his conversion, as he became more powerful/bold to witness fro jesus as an Evangelist...
Believe his famous quote on that was he wondered what God could do with one sold out to him, as he decided to 'sell out!"
Do NOT think there is really a second act of grace, but DO think there is a partial surrendering to the HS, and a full surrender to His empowering, as that is determined by us!
Michael Wrenn
New Member
I do apologize if I caused any unnecessary confusion.
Absolutely no need to apologize.