Is Cal/Non-Cal important enough to divide?

[Iconoclast]

You haven't a clue what God's will is.

The Bible does say this These had no humility and boasted on their accomplishments.

Nonsense if this were so you could prove it with scripture and you can't.

Do you really believe what you have said here is supported with the passages you have posted?
MB

MB,
I believe Isa46...24/7.....do you?

You haven't a clue what God's will is.

mb...here is a hint...when Jesus says...I WILL SAY UNTO THEM depart from me, I am pretty sure what he says is His will.:tongue3:

 

[Iconoclast]

This is ridiculous beyond belief. Not only is it phenomenally ignorant, it is deeply offensive.

It is ignorant because it ignores the fact that some of the greatest and most powerfully used Christians of all time have been thorough going Calvinists.

To say the entire theology of the pilgrims and the puritans, most of the founders of this nation, the father of modern missions- William Carey, the 'prince of preachers'- Charles Spurgeon, the instruments of the Great Awakening- Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield; to say that the theology of such people is out of the pit of hell is dumb beyond belief. People who have no better sense than to say such a thing ought to have the humility to not speak on such matters.

It is offensive for extraordinarily obvious reasons.

:thumbs::applause::thumbsup::thumbs:

 

[Iconoclast]

Who mixes works with grace on the BB? Perhaps you confuse the mingling of faith and works, without which faith is dead, i.e., ineffectual and actually non-existent.

Some do Jonathan......I will point it out to you in the future if you would like.
i am ok with the james passage,that is not what i was speaking of

Who here says man can come to God without God's grace? Are you just misrepresenting people or what?

Again ...some have said this clearly....i am not saying you did..I said some do.

The only perversion of doctrine I see is the doctrine you wrongly surmise that others have, when in fact they don't, apparently all just to push your own agenda, but I could be wrong, and you actually know that you are wrongly depicting others' views in order to make them look bad, in which case the scenario is worse than I thought.

Well Jonathan....i do not have to wrongly depict the views...you can read them for yourself....I am not as concerned about the wrong views...we all are learning here...I am concerned about the truth of God.
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All Baptists do that, or else they're not true Baptists.
I never said Calvinism is from hell. It's from the mind of man but not the mind of God. Divisiveness is also from man, and Paul said not to have anything to do with divisive people

You did not...but if you read earlier on this thread...you might notice that one of the men over-heated and blew a fuse...making that unfortunate statement. i can appreciate getting excited about bible teaching...but maybe he was having a bad day:laugh::laugh:

Jonathan....have you considered that all human theology is from the mind of man ..as men try and understand God's revelation to us.
Also, if calvinism is the truth...would that mean that you and some of the other ones ..are the divisive ones???:thumbsup:

Look...if you have sincere questions i will try and help you. Know in advance my answers will be from the reformed baptist perspective,,,so you will get what you ask for. i do not speak for all reformed baptists,,as I know many who could speak more eloquently than I can...I have some rough edges...but iron sharpens iron..so you can ask or question, or be critical as much as you desire.
That being said...if instead you come on an attack...I will deal with you as an enemy and not a brother...it's up to you..okay???

 

[Iconoclast]

This has to be a first! :thumbsup:

Oh, I am sure we agree on many things. But I cannot agree that God does not give a man a choice to believe or not, this is where we part ways.

I do not see it as degrading to God to give man a choice. Who determined men would have a choice? God! God made the rules, not us.

Men have a choice ,but their will is bound by their nature....

choice does not equal ....free will......there is no free will,except in philosophical speculations.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ed Stetzer, himself "Reformed in theology" according to glfredrick, is quite up-front in encouraging Calvinism-obsessed people to 'move on' when they begin attending his church:

http://www.edstetzer.com/2011/10/why-i-have-no-difficulty-helpi.html

Good post Jerome....:thumbs::applause::thumbs: One issue people can be distracting.....does ed stetzer actually believe anything?? or is he like the bahai faith? anything goes..or he tells everyone to move on??

 

[Iconoclast]

Originally Posted by Earth, Wind & Fire
Frankly, Ive sat in on some sermons by Reformed Pastors that dont hit the mark either ...... but on the overall, RB's provide good sermons. I also have seen RB Churches that are dead & dont know it yet. It is heart braking to admit, but I will not sit in a pew of a dead church. Perhaps that means I am difficult but if the Lord saved me (at the advanced old age of 53), then I am going to honor Him by learning as much as I can & trying to perfect myself as much as possible up until I return to the Father.

This is more what I was trying to get at in my original post...This is indeed a sad problem...Sometimes the pastors and some times the people are not prayed up before entering the assembly,and God will not be mocked.
Sometimes it reminds me of a pro athelete who competes and trains hard to make the team....but then does not strive to maintain a high level of training to be at the top of his game.
We have come to truth...but the truth must be obeyed and practiced.if people do not pray for the Pastor....and the pastor does not pray for himself and His people...both will fall in the ditch.

Have you ever been in a worship service and happened to look around and see people who are not eager to hear or receive truth???
What's up with that??

 

[Amy.G]

We have come to truth...but the truth must be obeyed and practiced.if people do not pray for the Pastor....and the pastor does not pray for himself and His people...both will fall in the ditch.

My pastor says a prayer for himself and the congregation before every service.

Have you ever been in a worship service and happened to look around and see people who are not eager to hear or receive truth???
What's up with that??

I have no idea. Why are they even there?

 

[seekingthetruth]

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

Ive been reading the statistics on Churches that are growing in America (the RCC) & then Churches that are sliding (SBC) which led me to think, what if the Calvies all left the SBC & moved on over to the also sliding Reformed Baptists......how would you feel then..... what do they represent (the Calvies) maybe 10 % ? would that effect the SBC bottom line to where it matters? Certainly, the RB's would be appreciative ...LOL

Anyway, here is a little history lesson on growth of the Calvinistic Baptists in the US in the 17th & 18th Centuries I found on line FYI.

http://www.gracemagazine.org.uk/articles/historical/reformedbaptists.htm

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Luke/Rick

You are such a crybaby

I have never ran to the mods about you.

Go ahead and tattle and complain like a little girl.

When I see your sissy picture on your avatar i am not suprised at your weakness.

John

John, how do you know Rick reported you?

 

[seekingthetruth]

John, how do you know Rick reported you?

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[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is more what I was trying to get at in my original post...This is indeed a sad problem...Sometimes the pastors and some times the people are not prayed up before entering the assembly,and God will not be mocked.
Sometimes it reminds me of a pro athelete who competes and trains hard to make the team....but then does not strive to maintain a high level of training to be at the top of his game.
We have come to truth...but the truth must be obeyed and practiced.if people do not pray for the Pastor....and the pastor does not pray for himself and His people...both will fall in the ditch.

Have you ever been in a worship service and happened to look around and see people who are not eager to hear or receive truth???
What's up with that??

Well Ive been thinking about that .... Perhaps it is Pietism. They are more interested in personal experiences than biblical doctrine. Even the warmest spirituality cannot be sustained without a solid basis in theology. This probably spons a post-conservative movement that transcends historical orthodoxy (you see it when the confessions are criticized). I believe that is called Post Modernism.

 

[quantumfaith]

I have to agree.

:tear::BangHead::tonofbricks:

Now you are diminishing your capital.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because it is his sissy nature, and he has done it before

John

So you do not have definitive proof but you lash out at the guy?!? How do you know for sure..... could it have been a moderator picked up on it by reviewing the thread, or perhaps someone else who got bent out of shape by your tirade. What your doing is slandering a brother. Do you think thats the smart thing to do?

Conversely I can tell you to take your lumps like a man & stop your whining. Right.

 

[seekingthetruth]

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[seekingthetruth]

So you do not have definitive proof but you lash out at the guy?!? How do you know for sure..... could it have been a moderator picked up on it by reviewing the thread, or perhaps someone else who got bent out of shape by your tirade. What your doing is slandering a brother. Do you think thats the smart thing to do?

Conversely I can tell you to take your lumps like a man & stop your whining. Right.

Moderator told me it was reported, thats how

John

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Moderator told me it was reported, thats how

John

Oh The Moderator disclosed it did he!

 

[seekingthetruth]

John, how do you know Rick reported you?

Besides that:

Why don't you let Lucina fight her own battles?

And, if you dont believe me, just ask Lucina if she reported me.

John