Calvinism Poll #2 = More options!

[webdog]

I thought that the "though they may be troubled by many infirmities" was speaking about that. How that believers will not be perfect.

The key is "persevering to the end". If one dies in one of these "many infirmities", according to the "p", this person was not saved.

 

[jbh28]

The key is "persevering to the end". If one dies in one of these "many infirmities", according to the "p", this person was not saved.

Maybe in some of the stickest Lordship advocates, but not according to the P. All those saved will persevere to the end because God preserves them. All power comes from God. It's the Arminian "P" that says that some won't persevere to the end and thus not be saved. Remember, the statement said, "Those thus saved God graciously preserves so they persevere until the end" It's God' that is preserving the saved and thus they persevere till the end.

 

[convicted1]

Maybe in some of the stickest Lordship advocates, but not according to the P. All those saved will persevere to the end because God preserves them. All power comes from God. It's the Arminian "P" that says that some won't persevere to the end and thus not be saved. Remember, the statement said, "Those thus saved God graciously preserves so they persevere until the end" It's God' that is preserving the saved and thus they persevere till the end.

I see nothing wrong with the usage of either "persevere" of "preserve". If God is in us, we will persevere because He is holding us up, especially in our times of turmoil. He will not have us tempted above that which we are able to bear, and even makes a way for our escape. We will also make it from here to glory because when He saved us, He put a seal upon us that even satan, that old sorry thing, can not break.......this seal is "satan proof", and he can't get inside of us anymore. So either way, those terms means close to the same thing. We will make it from here to glory by either "perseverence" or "preservation". Either one has God as our Protector.

 

[David Lamb]

I agree with all five. As Steve said (Post 2), they all hang together. I would have to add (because it has been the cause of confusion in several prfevious threads) that "limited" does not mean "few". I used the illustration in a thread a few years ago that voting in the US presidential election is limited to US citizens, and there are more than 313 million of them!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree with all five. As Steve said (Post 2), they all hang together. I would have to add (because it has been the cause of confusion in several prfevious threads) that "limited" does not mean "few". I used the illustration in a thread a few years ago that voting in the US presidential election is limited to US citizens, and there are more than 313 million of them!

Isn't it better expressed as "definite atonement"? & I also agree with Steve, it is about how the gospel doctrines hold together. If God planned from eternity to save one portion of the human race & not the other, then it is a contrition to say that He sent his Son to die for those He previously determined not to save in the same way that He sent his Son to die for those he had determined actually to save. This does not mean that the death of Christ has no benefit, we all know His blood can save all... but it it is specific to save those individuals whom the Father has given to Christ.