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[Arbo]

I Timothy 3:1,2 (NKJV)

"This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;"

I consider the trivialasation of gifted women..completly against the scriptures properly interpreted...to be not that of Christian behavior

Alive in Christ- How would you properly interpret the above passage?

 

[DaChaser1]

I consider the trivialasation of gifted women..completly against the scriptures properly interpreted...to be not that of Christian behavior

We are speaking ONLY of trying to place women into the positions of being pastors/Elders within local assembly, and STILL waiting to which verses God allows us to change the stated positions of Paul regarding qualifications of both pastors/Elders!

Also, isn't jesus Father Spirit fully equally God, yet agree to have subordination within the Godhead, as to specifi roles/functions?

SINCE God does it, why NOT us?

 

[Alive in Christ]

I find it unbelievably saddening that you consider Scripture as something that shifts with the changing times and culture.

Only when the scriptures support the change.

As they do in this case.

 

[matt wade]

Only when the scriptures support the change.

As they do in this case.

Please provide the Scripture that clearly tells us that the teaching a woman's role was cultural and that we should change our views as cultures views change.

What if culture makes a shift that you don't necessarily like? What if we were to shift back to the way you claim things were 2000 years ago? Would you then shift your view of Scripture back?

 

[Arbo]

It's interesting, though not surprising, that those on the feminist side keep declaring that Scripture approves of female pastors; yet they can cite nothing more that books, teachers, and magazine articles.

It's as if the words of man trump the Word of God.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt Wade...

Please provide the Scripture that clearly tells us that the teaching a woman's role was cultural and that we should change our views as cultures views change.

I have alread posted reams of matierial (flooded with scripture) that makes clear the validaty of my view.

I am not going to waste my valuable time posting all of that material yet again, when it was either disregarded without even being read, or completly misunderstood, when it was posted the 1st time.

You go back and find it if you are interested.


I have some chores to do around the house.

 

[DaChaser1]

Matt Wade...




I have alread posted reams of matierial (flooded with scripture) that makes clear the validaty of my view.

I am not going to waste my valuable time posting all of that material yet again, when it was either disregarded without even being read, or completly misunderstood, when it was posted the 1st time.

You go back and find it if you are interested.


I have some chores to do around the house.

The silence is deafening as regards to just ONE verse supporting wonem pastors!

 

[Alive in Christ]

The silence is deafening as regards to just ONE verse supporting wonem pastors!

Right


You just keep telling yourself that

 

[Iconoclast]

:thumbsup:

I find it unbelievably saddening that you consider Scripture as something that shifts with the changing times and culture.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Iconoclast]

Noooo

The articals are FLOODED with scripture that supports our view.

Your link and article is written by a person who denies biblical inerrancy.
Another liberal heretic...read the articles about him,

in case you missed it;
Here is a reply to this wrong article;
http://www.ondoctrine.com/2cow0001.htm


This heretic does not believe the bible is inerrant.....another who rejects the historic teaching of the historic church.....not a good source AIC.

read here;
http://www.pointloma.edu/sites/defau...ellent-way.pdf

 

[Alive in Christ]

Iconoclst....






Thanks for your input

 

[matt wade]

Matt Wade...

I have alread posted reams of matierial (flooded with scripture) that makes clear the validaty of my view.

I am not going to waste my valuable time posting all of that material yet again, when it was either disregarded without even being read, or completly misunderstood, when it was posted the 1st time.

You go back and find it if you are interested.

I'm not asking for reams of material. I'm asking for 1 verse. Just post one verse of Scripture.

I have some chores to do around the house.

Now I understand why you are on the side of the argument you are on. You are a woman...only women do housework! :laugh:

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt...


Thank you for your contribution.

 

[matt wade]

Matt...


Thank you for your contribution.

Why bother posting if this is the way you are going to be?

You are acting like a 5 year old that isn't getting his way.

 

[Jerome]

AIC....
here is some info on this author;
It is popular. . . .

Here is the link to the screed that Icon's post is apparently drawn from:

http://jgrantswankjr.blogspot.com/2009/11/naznat-says-bible-not-100-no-error.html

This 'Rev. Swank' is a former columnist over at American Conservative Daily:

ACD Discontinues Publication of J. Grant Swank’s Columns

American Conservative Daily has officially ceased the publication of columns by Mr. Swank. I wish to apologize to our readers for the way that some of his posts degraded and became so far away from what we had originally hoped...

 

[Jerome]

Let me know when you get done with your cult's new bible.

Yikes!
Are you saying that the "New American Standard" version of the scriptures is a CULTIC version???

It is interesting that the conservative NASB at Acts 21:9 (Philip's daughters) cross references to Acts 13:1 (the ministers at Antioch: Paul, Barnabas, etc.)

 

[Alive in Christ]

Arbo...

though not surprising, that those on the feminist side keep declaring that Scripture approves of female pastors; yet they can cite nothing more that books, teachers, and magazine articles.

Which contain the scriptures that you guys are so scared of that you refuse to read them. What is it that scares you so much?

I suspect that it is...

The truth

 

[Alive in Christ]

Arbo...

Alive in Christ- How would you properly interpret the above passage?
I Timothy 3:1,2 (NKJV)

Here is the passage...

"This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;"

I read it point blank the same way you would. Its plainly written and needs no interpretation.

The Bishop should have only one wife, and not more than one, and also no harlets on the side.

If the cleric in question is a woman she should have only one husband, and not more then one, and no "boyfriends" on the side.

Hope that helps.

 

[mandym]

I consider the trivialasation[sic] of gifted women..completly[sic] against the scriptures properly interpreted...to be not that of Christian behavior

I know but that is because you want to demonize those who disagree with you. It is not a genuine claim. It is simply a feigned outrage. Either way it does not justify your misrepresentation of what others have said and believe.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I can see you are falling back to your line of defense that relies on sarcasm and insult. I can only assume you will later cringe with embarassment when you reread this idiotic post.

Why not just explain how the Scriptural requirement of "the husband of one wife" does not mean just that?

Until you can do that in a polite manner, I think it's time to leave you to your own anger and not respond.

Actually, I thought my post was quite an appropriate response to the mean-spirited, arrogant, heretic-labeling ignorance I have encountered.