I would like to explain to my fellow board members, that my running battle with iconoclast, p4t and Amy was not one that came down to me be over sensitive and unable to debate. I do not like to debate others, because in the end, no one can truly walk away a winner. Feeling s get hurt, and sometimes anger rears its ugly head, for which I have spent today repenting for, and trying to summon the right words to post here.
As I've said so many times, in the past, and will continue to say in the days before us, when I post my views, I am not looking to argue, debate, or even try to pursuade any one else on the board to believe as I believe.
I have certain beliefs (based on personal experiences, because I've beent here and seen some supernatural events that can't be explained other than it being the Shekinah glory and presence of God Himself) that may not be in line with the majority of those on this board, but in the end, it shouldn't matter, because in my theology all that is important is that a person has come to Jesus, confessed their sins, accepted Him as Savior, folowed Him in water baptism, and are on a path that leads them to personal growth in their understanding of Jesus and the Love of the Father.
I have never, and never will, insist that anyone be baptized in the Holy Ghost in such a way that they manifest the certain gifts, or even the same gifts I may hold to and manifest. In fact, I like to keep my gifts to myself, because I believe that while the gifts are many, and that while God imparts to everyone gifts (it is up to them personally to grow in their understanding of the gifts and their willingness to yield to the Holy Ghost), those gifts and the measure of how those gifts will be manifested, is solely up to God, i.e., wisdom may be imparted to one person in great amounts, while another person may have limited wisdom, but no less have wisdom.
I do not pretend to understand to know why some are given greater portions, or even a greater number of gifts, while others lesser portions or a lesser number of gifts, but I do believe that regardless of the portion or the number of gifts, a person has, it is all given by the same Holy Ghost, and He uses what He has imparted to manifest and make known Gods awesome power and presence in this world.
Finally, I do believe that there is "the" gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38); and then there are the gifts of the Holy Ghost as seen hear in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 However, when the gift of the Holy Ghost is given to each of us, with it comes the gifts, and some gifts are for a season, while others are for longer than a season. And like the above Scripture says, “the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But the one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”
Here are some excellent on-line teachings, but it should be noted that because I have shared these teaching, I do not endorse everything, nor do I encourage any of you to partake of anything presented in these teachings as anything more than ideas and principles about the Holy Ghost as seen from the perspective of two different individuals. All teachings are meant to widen our perspectives and to broaden of the knowledge base of His will for our life as He points us in the right direction along that path.
In fact, the ideas presented in these above teachings are not to be seen as the Gospel according to these men, or according to myself, but rather just more ideas that could be part of the greater puzzle, such as those being presented by Iconoclast, p4t, or Amy and others in this EXCELLENT thread.
Everything I noted above is simply my opinion, and as I grow in Him, my base of theology is subject to change and grow, as He points out errors and misunderstandings that I may have gleaned to at an earlier time in my live.
This is what many theologians term the process of Santification. Like each of you, I am constantly in a state of flux, being subjected to change and growth, as He is truly the potter, and I am nothing more than a moistened lump of clay, subject to being broken and remolded along life's way in order to be more of a vessel that brings Him pleasure and a vessel that can be used to lift Him up along the path I travel.
SEE:http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/715-what-is-the-gift-of-the-holy-spirit-in-acts-2-38
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http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-are-gifts-of-the-spirit-a-bible-study/
AGAIN - I am not posting this with the idea of drawing out anyone in debate. I am simply trying to share what's on my heart and spirit, and because some of what I believe is subjective in nature, I cannot offer any Scriptural base for what I've been party to, other to say, it was real (to me) and it had God stamped all over it.
What happened to Saul on the road to Tarsus, had very little Scriptura; base for him, or anyone else, to draw comparison to. In fact, everything he was subjected to when he ran into Jesus, was all subjective in nature, and the church had to simply trust that they saw in Paul, when he started his ministry for the Gospel, was truly the Shekinah presence and glory of God upon him. There were those in the new church who didn't trust Paul, and there were those who held to Peter and others, rather than Paul, but that didn't make Paul any less the Apostle he claimed and proved himself to be.
What I'm saying is that God is still God, and He is going to do things that are outside of Scripture, and it is up to us to prayerfully seek and see if it was of God. That is what I've done, and I am positive that the things I've been part and parcel to were of God, and that is why I've come this far in live and ministry. does that mean you have to do as me. No way. I just ask that you allow me to be, and to trust that I am not going to be caught up in error any more than you may be, from time to time.
God bless....
As I've said so many times, in the past, and will continue to say in the days before us, when I post my views, I am not looking to argue, debate, or even try to pursuade any one else on the board to believe as I believe.
I have certain beliefs (based on personal experiences, because I've beent here and seen some supernatural events that can't be explained other than it being the Shekinah glory and presence of God Himself) that may not be in line with the majority of those on this board, but in the end, it shouldn't matter, because in my theology all that is important is that a person has come to Jesus, confessed their sins, accepted Him as Savior, folowed Him in water baptism, and are on a path that leads them to personal growth in their understanding of Jesus and the Love of the Father.
I have never, and never will, insist that anyone be baptized in the Holy Ghost in such a way that they manifest the certain gifts, or even the same gifts I may hold to and manifest. In fact, I like to keep my gifts to myself, because I believe that while the gifts are many, and that while God imparts to everyone gifts (it is up to them personally to grow in their understanding of the gifts and their willingness to yield to the Holy Ghost), those gifts and the measure of how those gifts will be manifested, is solely up to God, i.e., wisdom may be imparted to one person in great amounts, while another person may have limited wisdom, but no less have wisdom.
I do not pretend to understand to know why some are given greater portions, or even a greater number of gifts, while others lesser portions or a lesser number of gifts, but I do believe that regardless of the portion or the number of gifts, a person has, it is all given by the same Holy Ghost, and He uses what He has imparted to manifest and make known Gods awesome power and presence in this world.
Finally, I do believe that there is "the" gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38); and then there are the gifts of the Holy Ghost as seen hear in 1 Corinthians 12:7-11 However, when the gift of the Holy Ghost is given to each of us, with it comes the gifts, and some gifts are for a season, while others are for longer than a season. And like the above Scripture says, “the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But the one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”
Here are some excellent on-line teachings, but it should be noted that because I have shared these teaching, I do not endorse everything, nor do I encourage any of you to partake of anything presented in these teachings as anything more than ideas and principles about the Holy Ghost as seen from the perspective of two different individuals. All teachings are meant to widen our perspectives and to broaden of the knowledge base of His will for our life as He points us in the right direction along that path.
In fact, the ideas presented in these above teachings are not to be seen as the Gospel according to these men, or according to myself, but rather just more ideas that could be part of the greater puzzle, such as those being presented by Iconoclast, p4t, or Amy and others in this EXCELLENT thread.
Everything I noted above is simply my opinion, and as I grow in Him, my base of theology is subject to change and grow, as He points out errors and misunderstandings that I may have gleaned to at an earlier time in my live.
This is what many theologians term the process of Santification. Like each of you, I am constantly in a state of flux, being subjected to change and growth, as He is truly the potter, and I am nothing more than a moistened lump of clay, subject to being broken and remolded along life's way in order to be more of a vessel that brings Him pleasure and a vessel that can be used to lift Him up along the path I travel.
SEE:http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/715-what-is-the-gift-of-the-holy-spirit-in-acts-2-38
-OR-
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-are-gifts-of-the-spirit-a-bible-study/
AGAIN - I am not posting this with the idea of drawing out anyone in debate. I am simply trying to share what's on my heart and spirit, and because some of what I believe is subjective in nature, I cannot offer any Scriptural base for what I've been party to, other to say, it was real (to me) and it had God stamped all over it.
What happened to Saul on the road to Tarsus, had very little Scriptura; base for him, or anyone else, to draw comparison to. In fact, everything he was subjected to when he ran into Jesus, was all subjective in nature, and the church had to simply trust that they saw in Paul, when he started his ministry for the Gospel, was truly the Shekinah presence and glory of God upon him. There were those in the new church who didn't trust Paul, and there were those who held to Peter and others, rather than Paul, but that didn't make Paul any less the Apostle he claimed and proved himself to be.
What I'm saying is that God is still God, and He is going to do things that are outside of Scripture, and it is up to us to prayerfully seek and see if it was of God. That is what I've done, and I am positive that the things I've been part and parcel to were of God, and that is why I've come this far in live and ministry. does that mean you have to do as me. No way. I just ask that you allow me to be, and to trust that I am not going to be caught up in error any more than you may be, from time to time.
God bless....
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