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[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Quote me DHK, or prove yourself a liar......or better yet, retract your false remarks and then seek to find real answers instead of simply lying and slandering others and acting as a whited wall. :thumbsup:

 

[DHK]

Quote me DHK, or prove yourself a liar......or better yet, retract your false remarks and then seek to find real answers instead of simply lying and slandering others and acting as a whited wall.

I have a better idea. Instead of me going through myriads of threads and trying to pick a quote here and a quote there, why don't you simply tell me where I am right and where I am wrong, and why. Simple enough?

 

[The Biblicist]

Biblicist, you ignore the truth. You are not God and neither am I. In this world you can be as deceived as anyone, in spite of God's knowledge of who is and who is not saved. Scripture tells us plainly how to see if in fact we are who we claim to be, and it is not by reading your name in the flyleaf of ones Bible, nor is it by who we say we are or believe we are. We are told to examine ourselves. If one is sinning on a daily basis, practicing daily sin, how is such a one going to pass the exam?

Even if one passes the exam today, there is yet an exam to pass tomorrow. Examining ourselves is not a one time act, but a continued examination as long as we hold our salvation in this world in the Biblicial manner, i.e., by faith. No one in this world holds absolute knowledge of their final standing before God. We can only be assured of our standing before Him as our hearts and lives are pure before Him. Claiming to sin daily and yet saying one is saved, is like playing Russian roulette on a daily basis with ones final standing before Him.

I know full well that if one is deceived they would also fail to see the need to examine themselves to see "if" they are of the faith. It would be wasted effort in their estimation at this juncture in life, but time and eternity will prove them eternally unwise.

Your words above make no sense whatsoever! I don't have to be God to read what God's word clearly says. He NEVER classifies human beings in more than two opposing classes - saved or lost! Regenerated or unregenerated, justified or condemned, in the flesh or in the Spirit - all of these are saying the same thing - the children of God or the children of Satan.

You are the one deceived if you actually think there is a THIRD class or MIDDLE class of people between those two.

 

[Yeshua1]

hp



False Teaching, God calls no one to repent but those who have been borrn again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

NONE are saved apart from placing faith in jesus of the Bible! The Cross of Christ indeed provided the means/basis for God to save us, but ONLY those who place faith jesus will receive it!

The Death/resurrection of jesus saves NNE until they receive jesus by faith!

God does not call an unsaved person to perform any works, that person is unsaved by Christ and on their way to hell !

God requires ALL who would be saved to accept jesus by faith![/quote]

 

[savedbymercy]

God requires ALL who would be saved to accept jesus by faith!

[/QUOTE]

You preach a false gospel, see ya at the Judgment !

 

[Yeshua1]

You preach a false gospel, see ya at the Judgment ![/QUOTE]

I will be at the judgement of jesus for the works done while in my flesh, which One will you be at?

 

[Moriah]

You have one messed up mind! The "anyone" is qualified by the condition "if...LOVES ME"! Lost people do not LOVE Christ as "love" is a fruit of the Spirit not a work of the flesh - Go read the works of the flesh versus the fruit of the Spirit listed for you by Paul in Galatians 5:17-19 and see if you can find "love" listed in the fruit of the flesh:

You believe your total depravity teachers, but you do not believe Jesus. Jesus plainly says that if anyone loves me they will obey. You are like those in the world who think they are wise, you miss the Truth because you take pride in all your studying.
Jesus says even the wicked LOVE those who love them. Will you repent now?

Gal. 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:

Do you find it listed there Moriah????? Now read the list of the fruit of the Spirit:

Again, Jesus says even the wicked love those who love them, see Matthew 5:46.
As for Galatians 5:19 and the list of the works of the flesh, people do not come to know Christ while indulging in impurity, see Ephesians 4:18-24.

You cannot have the fruit of the Spirit or "love" without first already having the Spirit of God in you or so says Paul:

Rom. 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

I put it in large letters because you seemingly cannot read to well.

If you humble yourself, if you repent for following falseness, if you stop rejecting the Truth, then there is hope for you.

Rom. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Since you are sort of hard of hearing and a poor reader, let me spell it out to you again.

1. "IF anyone LOVES me" is only possible for those who are first INDWELT by the Spirit of God as the LOVE OF GOD is produced in men by the indwelling Spirit of God (Rom. 5:5) and the lost man or those "in the flesh" cannot love God as love is not part of the works of the flesh!

Jesus says to get his teachings and obey them. We do not even have to understand why we are told to do what Jesus says to do, but if you do them, Jesus will make you understand. Abraham did not even know where he was going, but he obeyed God and went. Paul could not even see, but did what Jesus said to do.
The message is a powerful message, it is the word of God, it is the mystery revealed, it is how we get faith. For you to have been led astray, to teach others that getting a Bible and doing what Jesus says is somehow wrong or impossible, that is a horrific sin by you.

2. Hence, the "anyone" is not lost, or those "in the flesh" as they are incapable of love for Christ as love for Christ is produced by the Spirit of God or the FRUIT of the Spirit (Gal. 5:19) and is not found in the works of "the flesh.":

The Word of God says we have SINCERE love if we do what the Bible says to do. You do not know God. That is obvious.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

DHK: I have a better idea. Instead of me going through myriads of threads and trying to pick a quote here and a quote there, why don't you simply tell me where I am right and where I am wrong, and why. Simple enough?

HP: Are you kidding me? Simply overlook your lies and slander and simply give you something else to misuse and abuse? No way. You posted your lies and slander. Now back them up or retract them. Biblicist needs to do the same.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Biblicist: You are the one deceived if you actually think there is a THIRD class or MIDDLE class of people between those two.

HP: Reading comprehension is in order. Focus on what I wrote for a change and engage your mind.:thumbsup:

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you.

HP: DHK has led the clarion call to either quote where he said something or keep quiet. He demands that one does not paraphrase his words and use actual quotes. All I am asking is that he holds himself to the same standard he demands of others. Either quote where one has made a claim that compares to the charges one brings concerning another, or keep quiet. Does fairness demand any less?

The same goes for Biblicist. If you desire to say what another believes, either quote where the other has stated such a belief or keep quiet. :thumbsup:

 

[DHK]

HP says:

Quote me DHK, or prove yourself a liar......or better yet, retract your false remarks and then seek to find real answers instead of simply lying and slandering others and acting as a whited wall.

But no one knows what he is talking about.
What is the false remark?
Where did I say HP is a bluebird? Just what are you specifically referring to, and don't refer to my post that has general information. Be specific. What specific charges are you referring to. List them.

 

[The Biblicist]

You believe your total depravity teachers, but you do not believe Jesus. Jesus plainly says that if anyone loves me they will obey. You are like those in the world who think they are wise, you miss the Truth because you take pride in all your studying.
Jesus says even the wicked LOVE those who love them. Will you repent now?

Again, Jesus says even the wicked love those who love them, see Matthew 5:46.
As for Galatians 5:19 and the list of the works of the flesh, people do not come to know Christ while indulging in impurity, see Ephesians 4:18-24.

If you humble yourself, if you repent for following falseness, if you stop rejecting the Truth, then there is hope for you.




Jesus says to get his teachings and obey them. We do not even have to understand why we are told to do what Jesus says to do, but if you do them, Jesus will make you understand. Abraham did not even know where he was going, but he obeyed God and went. Paul could not even see, but did what Jesus said to do.
The message is a powerful message, it is the word of God, it is the mystery revealed, it is how we get faith. For you to have been led astray, to teach others that getting a Bible and doing what Jesus says is somehow wrong or impossible, that is a horrific sin by you.

The Word of God says we have SINCERE love if we do what the Bible says to do. You do not know God. That is obvious.

It is a waste of time to even respond to people like Moriah, MP and SBM. They simply are without spiritual discerment to understand even the most simpliest of Bible truths. It does not matter how clear the evidence is they are wrong because they do not have eyes that see, ears that hear or a heart that accepts the word of God (Deut. 29:4). This is an exercise of futility.

 

[Moriah]

It is a waste of time to even respond to people like Moriah, MP and SBM. They simply are without spiritual discerment to understand even the most simpliest of Bible truths. It does not matter how clear the evidence is they are wrong because they do not have eyes that see, ears that hear or a heart that accepts the word of God (Deut. 29:4). This is an exercise of futility.

Jesus says, “But wisdom is proved right by her actions." Matthew 11:19.

Biblicist, examine your words. What you say about Jesus is proof that you are in error and know not the Truth. HP and I teach obedience to God’s Word, you teach a lay down and play dead method. You teach defiance to God.

Wisdom is proved right by her actions…what actions are you advocating, Biblicist?

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus says, “But wisdom is proved right by her actions." Matthew 11:19.

Biblicist, examine your words. What you say about Jesus is proof that you are in error and know not the Truth. HP and I teach obedience to God’s Word, you teach a lay down and play dead method. You teach defiance to God.

Wisdom is proved right by her actions…what actions are you advocating, Biblicist?

You preach a false gospel just as HP and SBM does. You pervert the Word of God just as HP and SBM does! You have had the truth presented clearly and the only thing you can do is attack the person presenting it but NEVER deal honestly or truthfully with what is presented.

Your MO when Biblical evidence is presented to you is to attack the person presenting it - THIS IS WHAT YOU DO ALWAYS - You never address the evidence.

 

[Yeshua1]

It is a waste of time to even respond to people like Moriah, MP and SBM. They simply are without spiritual discerment to understand even the most simpliest of Bible truths. It does not matter how clear the evidence is they are wrong because they do not have eyes that see, ears that hear or a heart that accepts the word of God (Deut. 29:4). This is an exercise of futility.

Would this fit under the saying of jesus"Do not cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and then turn on you?"

 

[savedbymercy]

the bib

You preach a false gospel just as HP and SBM does.

Well you do understand what Paul would say of those who preach a false Gospel don't you ? Read what he says Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What does let them be accursed mean in the original here ? Break it down for us mr greek scholar !

 

[Yeshua1]

the bib



Well you do understand what Paul would say of those who preach a false Gospel don't you ? Read what he says Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What does let them be accursed mean in the original here ? Break it down for us mr greek scholar !

You are one who Paul was referring too, so what does it mean to you?

 

[DHK]

the bib



Well you do understand what Paul would say of those who preach a false Gospel don't you ? Read what he says Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

What does let them be accursed mean in the original here ? Break it down for us mr greek scholar !

How can you say that when you are unable to give a testimony of how you were saved? A salvation testimony is essential to every person that names the name of Christ.

 

[Moriah]

You preach a false gospel just as HP and SBM does. You pervert the Word of God just as HP and SBM does! You have had the truth presented clearly and the only thing you can do is attack the person presenting it but NEVER deal honestly or truthfully with what is presented.

Your MO when Biblical evidence is presented to you is to attack the person presenting it - THIS IS WHAT YOU DO ALWAYS - You never address the evidence.

Jesus says, “But wisdom is proved right by her actions." Matthew 11:19.

Biblicist, examine your words. What you say about Jesus is proof that you are in error and know not the Truth. HP and I teach obedience to God’s Word, you teach a lay down and play dead method. You teach defiance to God.

Wisdom is proved right by her actions…what actions are you advocating, Biblicist?

 

[Moriah]

How can you say that when you are unable to give a testimony of how you were saved? A salvation testimony is essential to every person that names the name of Christ.

Why do you keep badgering SBM to tell his testimony? He tells his beliefs about who he thinks are saved or not. Why does that offend you so much when you do the same thing? Do you think you wording things less forward hides what you think about others here and their salvation?