Liberal Calvinism

[FR7 Baptist]

Is anyone on here a liberal Calvinist? I was wondering because my high school English writing teacher was a liberal Presbyterian Calvinist woman ruling elder in her PCUSA church. She said she believes in both Calvinism and liberal theology. For example, she affirms unconditional election and she supports ordaining gay pastors. (For the record, she's straight and married to a man.)

 

[Iconoclast]

Is anyone on here a liberal Calvinist? I was wondering because my high school English writing teacher was a liberal Presbyterian Calvinist woman ruling elder in her PCUSA church. She said she believes in both Calvinism and liberal theology. For example, she affirms unconditional election and she supports ordaining gay pastors. (For the record, she's straight and married to a man.)

In general .....if it can be called liberal it has error.This woman claiming to be a woman pastor and supporting the sodomite abomination show her rebellion.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

In general .....if it can be called liberal it has error.This woman claiming to be a woman pastor and supporting the sodomite abomination show her rebellion.

She's not a pastor, she's a ruling elder.

 

[Iconoclast]

She's not a pastor, she's a ruling elder.

Yes....she does not qualify biblical for eldership at all.....she is in rebellion.

 

[preachinjesus]

Is anyone on here a liberal Calvinist? I was wondering because my high school English writing teacher was a liberal Presbyterian Calvinist woman ruling elder in her PCUSA church. She said she believes in both Calvinism and liberal theology. For example, she affirms unconditional election and she supports ordaining gay pastors. (For the record, she's straight and married to a man.)

I'll try to actually answer your question and not get bogged down on pointless quibbles.

I know plenty of liberal Calvinists. They usually reside in Presbyterian and UCC denoms. Their reformed bent comes from theology and is only weakly supported by Scripture. The rest of their theology has been developed apart from Calvinism.

It shouldn't be surprising. There are plenty of dispensational Calvinists around here and that combo has no theological basis historically.

We should recognize that meta-theological categories can often exist with any number of combinations below them. This is normal in theological circles.

Now whether there are any "liberal Calvinists" on BB...I've never seen any and I'm neither, I don't imagine they'd find a voice here.

 

[Tom Butler]

Speaking of dispensational Calvinists, I used to be one.

I never made any connection to my Calvinism and dispensationalism.

I later changed my eschatological view to Historic Premillenialism, but am still a Calvinist.

So, does Calvinism require a specific eschatology? Never thought about it before now.

 

[TCGreek]

Speaking of dispensational Calvinists, I used to be one.

I never made any connection to my Calvinism and dispensationalism.

I later changed my eschatological view to Historic Premillenialism, but am still a Calvinist.

So, does Calvinism require a specific eschatology? Never thought about it before now.

In a Shepherds' Conference a few years back, John MacArthur made such an argument, "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist?"

 

[Greektim]

In a Shepherds' Conference a few years back, John MacArthur made such an argument, "Why Every Calvinist Should Be a Premillennialist?"

Ironically, when I was a dispo, that talk helped to spur me to calvinism. I took his arguments of election in reverse. Worked well for me. Although I'm no longer dispie.

 

[Greektim]

I'll try to actually answer your question and not get bogged down on pointless quibbles.

I know plenty of liberal Calvinists. They usually reside in Presbyterian and UCC denoms. Their reformed bent comes from theology and is only weakly supported by Scripture. The rest of their theology has been developed apart from Calvinism.

It shouldn't be surprising. There are plenty of dispensational Calvinists around here and that combo has no theological basis historically.

We should recognize that meta-theological categories can often exist with any number of combinations below them. This is normal in theological circles.

Now whether there are any "liberal Calvinists" on BB...I've never seen any and I'm neither, I don't imagine they'd find a voice here.

I doubt you will find many, although I'm not sure the typical soteriological thinking popular in the CBF. But there are not that many "liberal _____" anything at BB that I can tell.

 

[TCGreek]

Ironically, when I was a dispo, that talk helped to spur me to calvinism. I took his arguments of election in reverse. Worked well for me. Although I'm no longer dispie.

Ah, looking at your theological summaries under your name, I see we share some of the same.

 

[Herald]

Is anyone on here a liberal Calvinist? I was wondering because my high school English writing teacher was a liberal Presbyterian Calvinist woman ruling elder in her PCUSA church. She said she believes in both Calvinism and liberal theology. For example, she affirms unconditional election and she supports ordaining gay pastors. (For the record, she's straight and married to a man.)

Calling someone a liberal Calvinist is like calling water dry. If someone is a Calvinist then they subscribe to Soli Deo Gloria. Embracing sin is hardly seeking the glory of God.

 

[mandym]

Calling someone a liberal Calvinist is like calling water dry. If someone is a Calvinist then they subscribe to Soli Deo Gloria. Embracing sin is hardly seeking the glory of God.

So Calvinists are perfect? Good grief. :BangHead:

 

[Herald]

So, does Calvinism require a specific eschatology? Never thought about it before now.

No. John MacArthur is a pretrib/premil dispensationalist. Many Reformed Baptists are either historic premils, post-mils, or amils. Eschatology among Calvinists is all over the map.

 

[Herald]

So Calvinists are perfect? Good grief. :BangHead:

You really try hard at misinterpreting a person's words, don't you? I won't even try to clarify my words for you. You know better.

 

[mandym]

You really try hard at misinterpreting a person's words, don't you? I won't even try to clarify my words for you. You know better.

Of course not.

 

[AresMan]

Is anyone on here a liberal Calvinist? I was wondering because my high school English writing teacher was a liberal Presbyterian Calvinist woman ruling elder in her PCUSA church. She said she believes in both Calvinism and liberal theology. For example, she affirms unconditional election and she supports ordaining gay pastors. (For the record, she's straight and married to a man.)

PCA churches seem to me to be prone to liberalism. OPC churches are not.
Any Calvinism PCA members have is through the Presbyterian tradition. It does not surprise me one bit that PCA members and elders can be both "Calvinists" and liberal heretics.

If you want conservative Presbyterians, look for OPC. I may not agree with Presbyterian theology regarding their understanding of the visible New Covenant, but I can appreciate a lot of preaching from OPC pastors. I have listened to quite a few powerful messages from Pastor Bill Shishko.

 

[OldRegular]

PCA churches seem to me to be prone to liberalism. OPC churches are not.
Any Calvinism PCA members have is through the Presbyterian tradition. It does not surprise me one bit that PCA members and elders can be both "Calvinists" and liberal heretics.

If you want conservative Presbyterians, look for OPC. I may not agree with Presbyterian theology regarding their understanding of the visible New Covenant, but I can appreciate a lot of preaching from OPC pastors. I have listened to quite a few powerful messages from Pastor Bill Shishko.

I believe you have PCA confused with PCUSA. The PCA churches are located primarily in the south. These people withdrew from the combined yankee and Southern churches, PCUSA.

 

[Yeshua1]

Speaking of dispensational Calvinists, I used to be one.

I never made any connection to my Calvinism and dispensationalism.

I later changed my eschatological view to Historic Premillenialism, but am still a Calvinist.

So, does Calvinism require a specific eschatology? Never thought about it before now.

usually calvinism refers by many to mean "entire system" of calvinism, so that would mean one should hold to Covenant theology...

basically, be presby except for believers baptism!

i am fuzzy to dispy and historic pre mil...

My understanding on this is IF one holds to God have both isreal and church in plans, would be a dispy, as Covenant hold that Church is spiritual isreal today?