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Here, again, we see that the poster has taken a position in which no side would argue, but his attempt to present it as "higher ground" is actually an attempt to demean any who don't agree with his soteriological views in other posts.

All views that are not heretical desire to present the Gospel, and offer the Gospel to all men for no man knows who is to be saved and who is not.

The great commission is not benign but given to every believer to fulfill.

 

Fluff?! Did you not see the Scripture provided in the op?

 

Kind of like a car dealer honoring a warranty after the purchase of a new car.

 

I have a Cal question, why are you on our side? Please, convert to Arminian.

 

Sure, I saw the Scriptures.

But the point was that Benjamin has offered nothing of Scriptural support of his statements, rather choosing to demean and post fluff.

If he has a specific argument about the view in which he repeatedly belittles and considers it not scriptural, then he needs to post Scriptures to prove his point.

It is usually the Scriptures that the BB use to prove or disprove a view.

He cannot rely solely upon the fluff that he has posted and expect to gain favor toward his view - whatever that is.

 

You can use the ignore button they tell me...so why don't you try it out.
You are own your own side evidently. You are looking to bait me,or whatever you think you are doing. Not sure what your issue or issues are.
Unless you have a scriptural concern to raise I am not interested in this last ten mysterious posts with your agenda.....if I want advise from you I will ask.
I post as I will...you do what you want,,,like this:

 

Benjamin,

My posts are for all to see.

I have hidden nothing of my views and usually post Scriptures to example why I hold a certain view.

You, however, have offered very little other than detraction and disparage in your posts.

If you have a view, then support it with specific Scriptures.

But, it is becoming more apparent that you have merely adopted what is ear tickling seems good, rather than a hearty investigation in which you can clearly state what exactly you believe and what Scripture support you use for that belief.

You want to rely upon the work of others, but where is your own work on a view that you hold?

For instance: I am Calvinistic thinking, but I did not read any of Calvin, nor his supporters to arrive at my statements of belief. It was some years before someone said, "You sound like a Calvinist," that I actually began to see that for centuries others have traveled the same road and come to the same conclusion that I hold.

Where is YOUR work?

Why not start with this first:
Can you show Scriptural support for your view that man in complete unregenerate state has the natural ability outside of any specific grace given by God to choose righteous?

 

There may be millions of people who could sign it in the sense that it represents their views.

The question is SHOULD they sign it in light of it's AIM?

It's aim is to define Southern Baptist beliefs as anti-calvinistic. It seeks to pretend that the non-cals are the "traditional" Southern Baptists and the Calvinists are stepchildren which the SBC tolerates as long as they know their place.

This does nothing but starts a fight that the SBC does not need.

Singing that document not only assents to the theology represented therein, but it also embraces the divisive motives which hurts the movement as a whole.

 

This is not helpful.

 

It takes a lot of nerve to post a verse about no strife and post the way you do. I could care less about baiting you. I do care about an obnoxious spokesman for doctrines of grace and sovereignty. Dont ask for advise, most were here years before you arrived on the scene.

 

So sue me.

 

I don't understand.

Do you have a personal problem with Icon that has spilled over to this thread?

Do you two have an actual disagreement upon the Scriptures, or is about the tone and tempo of posting that is the problem?

 

It is all about tone. He draws sharp reponses from both sides by the wording of the posts, phrases such as "have you had too much caffine." In theory, theologically we are on the same side, but do not believe these kind of posts foster a good exchange of ideas, but bring out feelings of anger.

 

Right. It is distracting. Take it to the pm. It has nothing to do with the OP.

I figure it is one big fat misunderstanding.

I think both guys are solid. Somebody has said something along the way that has really rubbed the other the wrong way and they can't seem to shake it and wind up reading ALL of the posts of the that person through rage colored glasses.

You two are on the same team. Work it out, will you please?

 

I will stick with this. Your posts do not seem to be scripturally based.
What I posted to michael...was between him and I...we have an understanding. You are going off and I am not following you.
I speak for myself......you speak for yourself.

So what. You are not posting scripture much at all,You are setting yourself up as a judge.
Where have you posted anything scriptural?
Your comments are not helping with anything except to make you feel good. Put me on ignore...then you do not have to worry about it.

 

Sorry for the distraction...I posted James Whites program response to the SBc

saturn got twisted ,attacked James White? I answered so now he wants me to be arminian??? I am telling him to ignore my posts.

 

What good is posting Scripture then misinterpreting it?