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Does the RCC have An Inferior View On the Bible?
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Thinkingstuff
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You tell me. Why don't you read this article and tell me what you think.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/can-christians-use-birth-control-76132/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/can-christians-use-birth-control-76132/
Catholics hold to a rather fundamental view of the Bible. They take it very literally, leaving little room for allegorizing. For example Catholic dogma requires the belief that Adam and Eve were actual people who brought sin into the world by their disobedience. They believe it is the literal inspired word of God and the Catechism plainly states, “Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ.”
However, there are differences between the Catholic and the Protestant approach to the Bible.
1. Catholics include seven books in the O.T. that are absent from the 66 book Protestant Bible.
2. Interpretation of scripture is the purview of the Church. Members are not permitted to adopt their own interpretations. For example, Catholics say John 3:5 is a reference to baptism. Protestants, on the other hand, are all over the map on this verse except that they all (at least all evangelicals) deny it refers to water baptism.
3. Protestants believe in sola scriptura. Catholics do not. Catholics regard sacred Tradition as having equal authority with scripture. The two never contradict each other but Tradition provides the basis for certain doctrines and practices that are not found explicitly in scripture. The doctrine of the Assumption of Mary would be an example of this.
However, there are differences between the Catholic and the Protestant approach to the Bible.
1. Catholics include seven books in the O.T. that are absent from the 66 book Protestant Bible.
2. Interpretation of scripture is the purview of the Church. Members are not permitted to adopt their own interpretations. For example, Catholics say John 3:5 is a reference to baptism. Protestants, on the other hand, are all over the map on this verse except that they all (at least all evangelicals) deny it refers to water baptism.
3. Protestants believe in sola scriptura. Catholics do not. Catholics regard sacred Tradition as having equal authority with scripture. The two never contradict each other but Tradition provides the basis for certain doctrines and practices that are not found explicitly in scripture. The doctrine of the Assumption of Mary would be an example of this.
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In all my years as a Baptist, I never heard one Baptist preacher EVER say that contraception was not compatible with the bible. I did hear an LCMS pastor say that the reason the Catholic Church condemns it was because it was based on what scripture says. Now that I've studied it, it is clear who has the inferior view of the bible.
To many Protestants, children have become not much more than optional throw-aways. I think of the Chancellor of Episcopal Theological Seminary at Harvard, Katherine Ragsdale who proclaimed 'aborrtion is a blessing'. Her views loudly applauded by so many other Protestant theologians. How very tragic.
Look at the nature of God and how we are, as marriage partners, called to image Him. The Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) made man and woman in His image and blessed them in the covenant of marriage with a COMMAND to be fruitful and multiply. This very image in which man and woman were created was the unity of the three Persons of the Godhead. Didn't God restate this creation mandate in His covenant with Noah and his family. The existance of sin didn't change the call of married couples to image God through procreation. Then later, Paul says that in the New Covenant, marriage was elevated to the status of imaging the relationship between Christ and the Church. God enables a couple to reflect the image of God as the unity of the two become three.
As a Baptist, I was NEVER taught that my use of birth control intentially blocks the life giving power of love while enjoying the untiy and pleasure tha the act of marriage gives me. That it keeps my spouse and myself from reflecting the image of God in total self-donating love.
What does scripture say about children? It is overwhelming! Every single verse that speaks of children speaks of them as only and ALWAYS being a blessing. There was not one verse that cautions me about the expense of a child outweighing that childs worth. So why don't Baptist speak out against contraception? Why are there practically no responses on this thread thus far? Looking back over the archives on this board, it gets mighty quiet when this topic is brought up.
Look at the nature of God and how we are, as marriage partners, called to image Him. The Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) made man and woman in His image and blessed them in the covenant of marriage with a COMMAND to be fruitful and multiply. This very image in which man and woman were created was the unity of the three Persons of the Godhead. Didn't God restate this creation mandate in His covenant with Noah and his family. The existance of sin didn't change the call of married couples to image God through procreation. Then later, Paul says that in the New Covenant, marriage was elevated to the status of imaging the relationship between Christ and the Church. God enables a couple to reflect the image of God as the unity of the two become three.
As a Baptist, I was NEVER taught that my use of birth control intentially blocks the life giving power of love while enjoying the untiy and pleasure tha the act of marriage gives me. That it keeps my spouse and myself from reflecting the image of God in total self-donating love.
What does scripture say about children? It is overwhelming! Every single verse that speaks of children speaks of them as only and ALWAYS being a blessing. There was not one verse that cautions me about the expense of a child outweighing that childs worth. So why don't Baptist speak out against contraception? Why are there practically no responses on this thread thus far? Looking back over the archives on this board, it gets mighty quiet when this topic is brought up.
Thinkingstuff
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Not all baptist hold the same views on Marriage, contraception, or abortion. However, at the particular church I went to which was Southern Baptist in denomination my family got a lot of flack because we had four kids! The comment often made at church was "Are you going to stop having kids?" My wife heard this from the womens group she was a part of : " Is it really being responsible having more than one kid? They are a drain on your resources and income." Certainly we werent well off but we had a house everyone was clothed and everyone had three squares a day. But their attitude often seemed like kids were not a blessing from the Lord but a strain on financial resources. A friend had 7 kids and he was often targeted for some poor critisism about having too many kids. It got so bad that he left the Church. Prior to his membership at that church he was a pastor and his congregants thought he was being irresponsible with so many children that they felt he couldn't quite afford on his salary. These attitudes are anti-biblical and certainly don't show a respect for human life over financial resources.
RCC holds to a NON literal view on the scriptures, hold to form/source criticism, hold that some of the Books were NOT wriiten by traditional authorship, hold that the Chutrch itself decides how to interpret it 'correctly", and that some of it has myths, stories, not ALL inerrant...
Does that sound like conservative in view?
WestminsterMan
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Hmmmm...
If the RCC holds to a non-literal view on the scriptures, then you must hold to a LITERAL view - to remain consistent that is. Thus, please give us your LITERAL view of John 6.
WM
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Michael Wrenn
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I don't agree with the Protestant approach or the Catholic approach.
The Bibles non-Catholics use have from the Old Testament GREEK writings removed.
The Catholic's popes are members who adopt their own interpretations. The Catholic popes add things that are not in the Bible, after the Prophets, Apostles, and Jesus Christ as chief cornerstone already laid the foundation. God testified to what Jesus, the Prophets, and the Apostles said, God testified to it with sign, miracles, and wonders. God does not testify to the ADDED teachings of the Catholic popes.
Even many Protestant denominations do not believe in scripture alone, for nowhere in the Bible does God say man cannot believe in Him after learning of Jesus; and that is the falseness many Protestant denominations teach.
Jesus says that tradition keeps man from God’s truth. Jesus says traditions of men NULLIFY God’s word!
Matthew 15:6-9 Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.’”
Mark 7:8-9, 13 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
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I know two or three families outside of the RCC that do not use contraceptives. They all have 11 or 12 children. I come from a family of 7 children. My parents sacrificed. The other families I am referring to definitely must sacrifice. Many people could not afford to have families that big; would not be able to afford a house big enough to raise them. There is a matter of common sense that comes into view.
saturneptune
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The only reason that the Catholic Church is a cut above the Mormon is that they do believe that Jesus Christ is God. Aside from that, the Catholic Church is basically a circus. Confessing sins to priests who probably lead a life more corrupt than 90% of the general population, ridiculous concepts like Mary being sinless, transsubstitution, praying to statues of saints, a flawed Bible, baptising infants, a belief that the Catholic church is the only true church, when the opposite is the truth.
Someone that is saved in the Catholic Church is through grace of the Lord, despite the church.
People use that 'common sense' theory to advocate abortion as well. Do you believe in abortion too? God will provide, DHK! Where is your faith and how do you justify advocating something that is contrary to God's word? What does scripture say about children? It is overwhelming! Every single verse that speaks of children speaks of them as only and ALWAYS being a blessing. There was not one verse that cautions me about the expense of a child outweighing that childs worth. BTW, my parents sacrificed too. They considered their children God's greatest blessing!
WestminsterMan
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It's transubstantiation - not transsubstitution. Most of what you have stated is about as accurate.
WM
Romans 12:1-4
Paul points out that a SACRIFICIAL life requires the mercy of God. We are not asked to live this life on our own strength. We could offer our own bodies as a sacrifice in worship because there is a physical side to being spiritual, is there not? Isn't it key to knowing how to SACRIFICE in a way that proves the will of God to differentiate properly between the message the world gives and the truths of God? My study in the area of contraception has brought me to meditate on God's holy word. It presents a different picture than the one YOU are willing to accept. The one that was completely rejected by ALL Christians not that long ago. The world shouts the message that you are shouting, DHK. It is un-biblical. Doesn't God have the resources to enable you and others to handle more children than you 'plan'? How big is your God?
Saturneptune sounds a lot like an ex-Catholic that never paid much attention in catechism or, if not, is certainly a person who never has bothered to study what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Absurd statements like 'praying to statues' and 'transubstitution' gives 'em away.
The priest and parishioners bow to the statues. That is a fact about the Catholic Church. God says do not bow to the works of your hands.
Catholics even pray for healing from the statues.
Read about the baby Jesus statue.
Infant Jesus of Prague
The charming statue of the Child Jesus, displayed for people to venerate in the church of Our Lady of Victory in the Lesser Town district of Prague, receives visitors from all over the world every day. People come here to pray for help, healing, or peace; some come in trust expecting the birth of a child; and many return to give thanks. The sweet face of the Child Jesus attracts visitors through its beauty. The right hand of the child is raised in blessing, while his left hand holds a sphere surmounted by a cross – the whole of our universe rests in his hands…
THIS IS ABOUT A STATUE!
Read MORE about this sin on this link http://www.pragjesu.info/en/
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I only used the term "common sense." You certainly read a lot into those two words. Where did I say one could or could not use ANY type of birth control?
I suppose I could strap a bomb around a pregnant woman and blow her up in a crowded market place. Would that be birth control?
Have the baby delivered and then killed. Is that birth control?
Many of the East Indians, when they find out that they have given birth to a girl, take the infant girl and throw it to the crocodiles. Is that birth control?
ANY?
Do abortions count as birth control?
No, I don't advocate ANY type of birth control! Who gave you that idea?