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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever

Catalyst

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Off subject !

No you are off subject.
YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE>

Dude, if you are going to make an accusation to someone, be adult enough to explain why you think that. Don't just sit there and yell NO YOU, back and forth.

If my comment, "If it's CHRIST who is the same today and yesterday, (scripture says it's God, not Christ, and in scripture they are kept separate, by GOD's choice, not man's), so you start off in the very question, presuming eisegetics. " went unchallenged and was accepted, then no, it was not off topic, but most assuredly it was a consequence of your position that you didn't consider before mouth was engaged.
 

Yeshua1

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It seems like if you were chosen before time began, you aren't choosing crap. You just are, or you aren't.

IF you have to choose, and that is part of what GOD does to bring a chosen one to Him, then there is no need to discuss calvinism, because if you are chosen you will choose him, thus anyone you talk to, could be one of the chosen if you just help them in a relationship with God. So that arrogance many calvinists have, the "I'm chosen so I'm smug and sure of myself", shouldn't be showed at all, they could be sticking their nose up at someone else that is chosen/called, just God hasn't turned their magic switch on yet.

calvinists realise that its ONLY thru the gtace of god ANY of us can get saved, that we are dead in our sin natures, and unless the lord woke us up and saved us, would be lost and damned!

We are MOST appreciative, as he chose us, while we could NOT choose Him!
 

Yeshua1

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God testified to the gospel that Paul preached with signs, miracles, and wonders.

it does seem that God quit using those though to confirm the gospel of christ, as Timothy needed wine, Paul was given Enduring grace!
 

evangelist-7

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calvinists realise that its ONLY thru the grace of god ANY of us can get saved, that we are dead
in our sin natures, and unless the lord woke us up and saved us, would be lost and damned!
We are MOST appreciative, as he chose us, while we could NOT choose Him!
'Tis my fervent opinion that this is the most Scripturally-sound comments from you I've seen yet.
Excuse me while I get up off the floor.

Then comes the trivial matter of maintaining our salvation ... because IMO we can throw it away.

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savedbymercy

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In Him was Life !



John 1:1-4

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.


That Life was the Light of men, the Elect of God and those who would become Believers in time, for as many as were ordained to Eternal Life believed Acts 13:48. It was all these that did have Life in Christ, the Word, before they had life and were created in Adam, and before they sinned in Adam, for they had a Covenant Life in their Covenant Head. Now I am not speaking of any personal existence, but a spiritual life, a seed life given them in Christ; for they all existed as the Spiritual Body of which He was the Head of which is seen in scripture Col 1:16-18, that is Christ as the Head of His Body, and that His Body was created in Him, as Eve was created in Adam, for they were Chosen and given to Him as Eve was God's Choice for Adam and gave her to him, for it is written : Gen 2:22

And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Now some may say that Christ was not created ! But oh yes He was, but only its more appropriately called begotten or generated or brought forth.

Prov 8:22-25

22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

However it must be made clear that this generation or being brought forth only applies to His Mediator Sonship as the Son of God, set up in His Mediator capacity Prov 8:23, as the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim 2:5; and we also hold that Christ in His absolute Divinity was never begotten, or generated, or brought forth, but always existed Uncreated, Unbegotten as the Word of God Jn 1:1, but His bride was created in Him as He was Himself was begotten as the Mediator and Firstborn of Creation Rev 3:14

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Col 1:15

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Now it was as the God Man Mediator that the Life or Covenant Life of all them Chosen in Him, was that Life of men in Him Jn 1:4 and this Life was the Light of men.

Turn with me to Isa 42:6

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; See also Isa 49:6

Lk 2:32

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

And each man that had this Covenant Life given them in Christ, shall partake of it as they come into this world Jn 1:9

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

That is every man that has an interest in Christ as their Covenant Head, and that is because they have Covenant Life, they will be lightened with the Light of Life Jn 8:12 and Acts 13:47

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. That fulfills Lk 2:32 !

All of those who has Spiritual Life and Light communicated to them, it was because they had Covenant Life in Him Jn 1:4

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
 

kyredneck

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Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do we see what Christ says here ? Many who lack understanding, takes this statement of Christ here to merely mean, that He is the only way to God the father as it pertained to Him then while speaking, and afterwards, but that is a mistake, for He has always, since the beginning of the World hath the only way to God, because He was always the Mediator between God and Men 1 Tim 2:5

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

He has been that ever since there were men,m beginning with Adam ! That is in fact what His words mean here in Jn 14:6, that He has always been Mediator !

He was made known of here Gen 3:15, and one of the seed elect gave evidence of having been taught that way by his sacrifice Heb 11:4

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

This sacrifice made it known that Abel knew that Christ's , the coming seed, that His sacrifice was the only way to God and acceptance with Him ! God had showed him His Covenant !

And, following him [Abel] all the true men and women of faith gave evidence of knowing the way, through the seed of the woman, later revealed as Abraham's seed, and later David's seed. Yes even Job had been given to realize the way, the Redeemer Job 19:25

For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Job here is speaking about Jesus Christ ! and he understood that He even then existed or was living ,up in Heaven !

Peter wrote that men of old believed in God by Him [Jesus the Mediator] 1 Pet 1:20-21

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

All OT Saints knew that their Salvation was contingent upon the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, for what did the Old Saint speak here when he held the babe in his hands ? Lk 2:25-32

25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.

26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

What Salvation ? The Salvation the prophets foretold 1 Pet 1:10

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Now was it not made evident that Simeon's Faith had rested in Christ ? Or why would he say what he did in vs 30 !

No other name had been given under Heaven whereby men must be saved, even old Simeon could testify of that fact ! Yes, the same Salvation Simeon testified of in the babe Christ, is the same peter refers to here in Acts 4:12


12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Heb 13:8

8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Jn 14:6

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Excellent post sbm, totally agree.
 

evangelist-7

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Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

John 6:
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me,
that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that
everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.”


This would make for a good thread ... The full counsel of God re: His will
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evangelist-7

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Do you agree with the Lord jesus that one MUST place faith in him
in order to be saved/justified/reborn again to eternal life ...?
Nope, I don't agree.
Jesus said a whole lot more about this, and it takes a whole lot more, than just placing faith in Him.
I'll start a thread about this soon.
(It looks like you believe in OSAS.)

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Yeshua1

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Nope, I don't agree.
Jesus said a whole lot more about this, and it takes a whole lot more, than just placing faith in Him.
I'll start a thread about this soon.
(It looks like you believe in OSAS.)

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No, believe int he biblical truth that since God saved me. keeps me, he will beable to present me holy and blameless to the father on that day!
 

evangelist-7

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No, believe in the biblical truth that since God saved me, keeps me,
he will be able to present me holy and blameless to the father on that day!
Yes, you have the right idea. Praise God!
But, it does require more than hoping ... it does require doing.
YOU have to be willing to be sanctified unto holiness by the Holy Spirit who is in you.
That's where election and free-will meet together.
And if you have any unforgiveness on that Day, you will end up in Hell.
Guaranteed. Love you, 'bro.

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