Where Would Unbaptized babies And Adults Go per RCC?

[Yeshua1]

if say infant passed away before having their original sin washed away in the sacrament of water, per the RCC?

 

[Wittenberger]

I'm not Roman Catholic, but we Lutherans, who on this issue are almost identical to the RCC, would say that the child of Christian parents would be saved/go to heaven if he dies before the opportunity to be baptized. We believe this because of the promise given in Acts 2:38-39.

When it comes to the children of unbelievers our answer is: we don't know. We leave their fate in the hands of a merciful but just God.

I would be surprised if Catholics believe any differently. (Maybe they would send the baby to Purgatory for a few years of punishment for original sin, but I doubt it.) Lutherans do not believe in Purgatory, thank the Lord!

For more info on the Lutheran perspective go to: http://www.lutherwasnotbornagain.com

 

[DHK]

I'm not Roman Catholic, but we Lutherans, who on this issue are almost identical to the RCC, would say that the child of Christian parents would be saved/go to heaven if he dies before the opportunity to be baptized. We believe this because of the promise given in Acts 2:38-39.

I believe the RCC has a special place called "Limbo."

 

[Walter]

I believe the RCC has a special place called "Limbo."

No, it was theological speculation at best. There was no official teaching that 'Limbo' existed.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

if say infant passed away before having their original sin washed away in the sacrament of water, per the RCC?

Ever here of the concept of "Limbo"? Not the dance! LOL

 

[Yeshua1]

No, it was theological speculation at best. There was no official teaching that 'Limbo' existed.

wasn't it officially held and taught, just as Purgatory was though?

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm not Roman Catholic, but we Lutherans, who on this issue are almost identical to the RCC, would say that the child of Christian parents would be saved/go to heaven if he dies before the opportunity to be baptized. We believe this because of the promise given in Acts 2:38-39.

When it comes to the children of unbelievers our answer is: we don't know. We leave their fate in the hands of a merciful but just God.

I would be surprised if Catholics believe any differently. (Maybe they would send the baby to Purgatory for a few years of punishment for original sin, but I doubt it.) Lutherans do not believe in Purgatory, thank the Lord!

For more info on the Lutheran perspective go to: http://www.lutherwasnotbornagain.com

Do you hold to that because the parents were in the "Community of faith?"

What promise was in Acts towards kids?

is water baptism necessary in order to be saved, do you see it as say Church of christ, completing the salvation process?

 

[Walter]

wasn't it officially held and taught, just as Purgatory was though?

I was told it was not. I will look into it more.

 

[Yeshua1]

I was told it was not. I will look into it more.

Could have been more emphasised time ago, as don't think the RCC really holds to purgatory as much, do they now a day?

 

[Walter]

Could have been more emphasised time ago, as don't think the RCC really holds to purgatory as much, do they now a day?

I haven't found any evidence that it was ever thought of as anything but theological speculation. I have heard people say that nuns taught it as a fact in some Catholic schools. Not even all sisters were properly catechised in times past. Some nuns teach some pretty bizarre stuff now. But then, that seems to be going on in most christian circles anymore. The present pope is doing plenty to purge the Church of the liberal nonsense that crept into the seminaries, Catholic universities and some Religious orders.

As far as Purgatory, I don't know that it is being de-emphasised. It is a dogma of the Church and thus cannot change. There are others on this board that know much more about the faith than I do. For me, I'm just in the process of converting and still have many questions. My own postion on Purgatory is what difference does it make? If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I'm saved and no matter how long I have to spend in that state I know my ultimate destination will be Heaven.

 

[saturneptune]

Since a RCC baptism is a totally meaningless act, what difference does it make?

 

[DHK]

As far as Purgatory, I don't know that it is being de-emphasised. It is a dogma of the Church and thus cannot change. There are others on this board that know much more about the faith than I do. For me, I'm just in the process of converting and still have many questions. My own postion on Purgatory is what difference does it make? If I die and find myself in Purgatory I will be happy because it means I'm saved and no matter how long I have to spend in that state I know my ultimate destination will be Heaven.

Why would you look forward to this?

Augustine on Purgatory

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April 11, 2010


In his dread of those more serious misfortunes, the speaker disregards this life which causes him to weep and groan with its misery, and makes his entreaty: Rebuke me not, O Lord, in thy indignation [Psalms 38:1]. Let me not be among those to whom thou wilt say: Depart into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels [Matthew 25:41]. Nor chastise me in thy wrath [Psalms 38:1]. Do thou cleanse me in this life and make me such that I shall have no need to pass through the purifying flames prepared for those who will be saved yet so as by fire [1 Corinthians 3:15]. Why? Is it not because in this world they are building upon a foundation of wood, hay, stubble? If they constructed with gold, silver, precious stones, they would be safe from both kinds of fire, not only from the everlasting fire which will torment the wicked forever and ever, but also from that which will purify those who are to be saved by fire. For we are told: He himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire [1 Corinthians 3:15]. And because of the phrase shall be saved, that fire is not taken seriously enough. Clearly, although they will be saved by fire, yet that fire will be more grievous than anything a man is capable of bearing in this life.

Augustine: Discourse on Psalms (Enarrationes in Psalmos) 37.3​

English translation from Ancient Christian Writers, Vol. 30, page 330-331​

While Augustine did not use the word purgatory he distinguished two kinds of fire, the everlasting fire that will torment the wicked forever and the purifying fire.

http://vivacatholic.wordpress.com/2010/04/11/augustine-on-purgatory/


Why would anyone look forward to something not taught in the Bible. The Scripture used is taken out of context and used to mean something not taught in the Bible.

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[saturneptune]

Why would anyone look forward to something not taught in the Bible. The Scripture used is taken out of context and used to mean something not taught in the Bible.

The same reason a person hits himself with a hammer, because it feels so good when he stops.

 

[billwald]

>Since a RCC baptism is a totally meaningless act, what difference does it make?

If by "meaning" you are referring to a spiritual event then Baptist baptism is also a meaningless event. Both are Christian rituals.

 

[Melanie]

It is interesting that there are so MANY questions concerning Roman Catholicism on the BB currently.

By posting anything in defence of the RCC is like putting a direction finder :tonofbricksn your chest for attack, may I humbly suggest if you are actually interested in finding a Catholic perspective, there are many RCC forums where a learned answer can be sought.:1_grouphug:

 

[Walter]

It is interesting that there are so MANY questions concerning Roman Catholicism on the BB currently.

By posting anything in defence of the RCC is like putting a direction finder :tonofbricksn your chest for attack, may I humbly suggest if you are actually interested in finding a Catholic perspective, there are many RCC forums where a learned answer can be sought.:1_grouphug:

Good suggestion, Melanie. I have been doing just that of late because I want to get the ACTUAL position of the Catholic Church instead of Protestant assumptions and misrepresentations. Fulton Sheen once said: 'There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.'

Although I believe that some of those 1oo people who truly hate the Catholic Church are posting on this board.

 

[Yeshua1]

It is interesting that there are so MANY questions concerning Roman Catholicism on the BB currently.

By posting anything in defence of the RCC is like putting a direction finder :tonofbricksn your chest for attack, may I humbly suggest if you are actually interested in finding a Catholic perspective, there are many RCC forums where a learned answer can be sought.:1_grouphug:

problem is that the RCC views their beliefs/practices thru first and foremost their traditions and being 'real church", and the bible itself used secondary sense to support them!

 

[Yeshua1]

>Since a RCC baptism is a totally meaningless act, what difference does it make?

If by "meaning" you are referring to a spiritual event then Baptist baptism is also a meaningless event. Both are Christian rituals.

he means that there is NO sacramental grace in it! baptists saved first by grace of god, then baptized, catholics baptized irn order to be saved!