I can't show you the word Sacrament in Scriptures just like you can't show me the word Trinity in the bible, however, in both cases their doctrines are found in scripture.
There are many places where the concept of trinity is found and taught in Bible; not one place is the concept of sacrament in the Bible.
Peter says "This baptism which now saves you." Jesus speaks of the sacramental nature of the Eucharist both in John 6
He certainly does not. He speaks of bread as a metaphor, in the same way in which he says "I am the door, if any man enter in..." Was Jesus an actual door, perhaps made of wood with a doorknob on it? If he wasn't in that passage why would you expect to take him so literally in John 6. The passages aren't that far apart. I am the vine? A vine? I am that manna. Really? Like coriander seed?
and in the isntitution of that Sacrament, Laying on of Hands and being filled with the spirit for Clergy is shown in scriptures. Sacraments are all over the scriptures just like the Trinity is.
I haven't seen any evidence for a sacrament yet, not one.
Show me one verse that uses the Word Trinity! Just one verse that says uses the word Trinity. If you can find the word Trinity in the scripture text I will return to being baptist.
The most obvious text for the trinity is in 1John 5:7
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the
Word, and the
Holy Ghost: and
these three are one.
--Can't get much clearer than that, can you?
It is also demonstrated at the baptism of Christ where all three of the persons of the Godhead are present at one time.
Oh. What then do you tell people to close their eyes with heads bowed then ask them if any want to accept Jesus into their lives to raise their hands?
We don't. You assume facts not in evidence. We are an
Independent Fundamental Baptist Church. The emphasis is on all three actually, but on independent for your sake. We are not all the same. We can't have tradition if we are independent and not all the same. How is that possible? Please tell. Our church was incorporated ca. 1971, and is one of the oldest IFB churches in the area. We vary our services and therefore don't have much tradition to go by. By the RCC definition it is impossible for us to have any tradition at all. Tradition happens over long periods of time, as in centuries.
That is a Tradition as well and no where do I see Paul or Peter say close your eyes and bow your heads and raise your hand if you prayed for Jesus to come into your lives.
And you don't see it in our church either. So what is your big hang up? You have been deceived because you had a bad experience in a Baptist church that you went to and now you project that bad experience on every other Baptist church in the world thinking that they are all the same. There are some logical fallacies there that you need to face up to, and take care of.
I just mentioned two. Want me to mention more? irrelevant. I've been to both IFB and SBC churches. I know what happens there.
Apparently not. I would call you ignorant, but that is rude.
You may have your own traditions as well that are different from baptist churches but you have them. Are you inviting me to your church pastor? Another Tradition! Where in Scripture does it say to Vary your Sunday Services time schedule?
I never said anything about a time schedule. I said we vary our services. We don't always sing the same number of songs. We don't always have a "special" (someone singing a solo, etc.), but sometimes we do. Sometimes there is a missionary presentation. The services vary. It is not the same old boring mass day after day. I had it all recited in Latin--when to sit, kneel, stand. That was tradition.
However if you invite me I may come. Then I'll know your specific Traditions that are specific to your church.
I doubt that.
You were accusing me of having a belief that church mean building. I don't have that belief and niether does the RCC.
Apparently you still didn't understand my point. I didn't say you. I said the general populace has that definition. If I say "I am going to church on Sunday." Most people would immediately think of "church building," not "church congregation," even if in my mind I am thinking of the latter. That is all I am saying with that illustration.
But I did say the RCC has changed the meaning of other words.
All you have demonstrated with that word "blessing" is that you can make the same mistake someone who doesn't know their own language's definition. Let me further explain it to you. English is in some ways more limited than Greek. The word Love is singular in English but has a veriety of meanings. Greek has four words for Love and each has a different meaning but the one world Love can mean each of these words depending on what Greek word is being used. So it is with blessing and the specific definition I was refering to is to make something Holy or set apart for a specific use.
But the NT was written in Greek, and the OT in Hebrew. To get the proper definition we must use the language of the Bible, not the English language. When it says that Jesus blessed the children, we must go back to that Greek word and find out what it means. I did that. It simply means that he prayed.
When we look at the Beatitudes, we go back to the Greek (the word makarios) and find out what it means. It means "happy." We must confine ourselves to the meanings that the Bible gives us in the context that they are used. That is why I tried to use the word "church" as an example. The word "ekklesia" translated church, simply means assembly, or congregation. It never refers to a building as most people think of a church today. We can't use English dictionaries to define Greek and Hebrew words.
As far as the Catachism all it does is shown how scripture has always been viewed by Christians since the begining. Have you ever read the Catachism have you seen all the scripture referrences? Thats because how a passasge has always been viewed as well as the passage itself is scripture.
I have read the Catechism and looked at it quite extensively.
I know for absolutely sure that it is dead wrong on the issues of other religions, for example. It speaks of Islam and accepting it as a religion that is acceptable by God. What heresy! It speaks of the new birth as baptism, whereas the two are not even connected or related to each other. That is where the heresy of baptismal regeneration is taught. Yes it may refer to Scripture, but it doesn't mean the Scripture is used in the right way!
