Is Baptism the New Circumcision?

[The Biblicist]

You are speaking in a twisted backwards kind of way. Jesus says he never knew them, that they were evil doers. They did evil things. That is what that scripture says.

As far as the immediate context, Jesus is explaining what it takes to FULFIL the righteousness God requires to be acceptable for entance into heaven. It EXCEEDS the scribes and Pharisees best efforts (v. 20). It EXCEEDS the kind of righteousness defined by the traditions of the elders (vv. 21-47) or what you "have heard" (vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43). It EXCEEDS all of that because it EQUALS God's own personal righteousness which is PERFECT, SINLESS (v. 48). Paul reaffirms it is God's own personal righteousness that is revealed in the law and in the preson of Christ - Rom. 3:21 - and that is precisely why NO SINNER can ever be justified by personal obedience (Rom. 3:19-20) and YOU are a sinner and if you deny it YOU are a liar (1 Jn. 1:8-10).

So again Moriah, where are you going to find an OBEDIENT LIFE that equals and therefore does not come short of God's personal righeousness to satisfy the Father's will for entrance into heaven?? Christ has already fulfilled it - finished it - he is the end of the law's demands for righteousness to all who believe in him as their fulfillment of righteousness to enter heaven.


You don't even understand what sin is much less what obedience to God is!!

James gives you the Biblical definition of what sin is (James 2:10-11)! Can't you understand that? You are condemned as a sinner if you fail in ONE point of the law and the law in question is the ten commandments (James 2:11) and James is writing to professed Christians not lost Jews. If you fail only in one point, disobey in one point, you have disobeyed every point. If you have disobeyed in all points by simply breaking one point than all that you do is INIQUITY!!! Any attempt to be justified before God by your own personal obedience requires no violation of any point of God's commandments! Don't you understand that?

When you attempt to use your own personal obedience to satisfy the righteous standard demanded by God's law for justification before God you can only be successful and regarded obedient if you NEVER EVER FAIL in one point. If you fail but in one point you are brought under the laws condemnation not its commendation and you fail EVERY POINT. That is precisely why in regard to satisfying God's righteousness by personal obedience THERE IS NONE GOOD no, NOT ONE!


I gave the Biblical definition of sin in Romans 3:23. Sin is coming short or failing to measure up to the PERSONAL righteousness of God. If you come short of being righteous as HE IS RIGHTEOUS you have sinned. Therefore, to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect, is the only way not to come "short" of God's righteousness. If your righteousness does not EQUAL God's personal righteousness you cannot enter heaven as it is HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS that is the standard for entrance and that righteousness EXCEEDS the righteousenss of the scribes and pharisees which were considered in Christ's day as the STANDARD of obedience among the professing people of God.


You are nothing more than a modern day pharisee who believes you can be justified by your own works before God and therefore presumptuously believe that YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS does equal the righteousness of God and does not come short of God's Righteousness and does not fail at any point! If you didn't you would renounce your own righteousness and seek salvation by God's provision of that righteousness in the person and work of Jesus Christ FOR satisfaction of God's righteous demand for entance into heaven.

You don't even understand what sin is much less what salvation is. All of your righteousness, obedience, is as filthy rags if you are going to offer it up to satisfy God's entrance requirements for heaven! You are precisely those who stand before the Lord in Matthew 7:22-23 and offer up their own righteousness as fulfillment of the will of God to satisfy God's standard of righteousness. Your obedience is nothing but works of iniquity BECAUSE you are offering your OWN OBEDIENCE to satisfy God's righteous standard and YOUR OWN obedience comes short, your own obedience fails in MANY POINTS much less ONE point.

 

[The Biblicist]

As far as the immediate context, Jesus is explaining what it takes to FULFIL the righteousness God requires to be acceptable for entance into heaven. It EXCEEDS the scribes and Pharisees best efforts (v. 20). It EXCEEDS the kind of righteousness defined by the traditions of the elders (vv. 21-47) or what you "have heard" (vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43). It EXCEEDS all of that because it EQUALS God's own personal righteousness which is PERFECT, SINLESS (v. 48). Paul reaffirms it is God's own personal righteousness that is revealed in the law and in the preson of Christ - Rom. 3:21 - and that is precisely why NO SINNER can ever be justified by personal obedience (Rom. 3:19-20) and YOU are a sinner and if you deny it YOU are a liar (1 Jn. 1:8-10).

So again Moriah, where are you going to find an OBEDIENT LIFE that equals and therefore does not come short of God's personal righeousness to satisfy the Father's will for entrance into heaven?? Christ has already fulfilled it - finished it - he is the end of the law's demands for righteousness to all who believe in him as their fulfillment of righteousness to enter heaven.


You don't even understand what sin is much less what obedience to God is!!

James gives you the Biblical definition of what sin is (James 2:10-11)! Can't you understand that? You are condemned as a sinner if you fail in ONE point of the law and the law in question is the ten commandments (James 2:11) and James is writing to professed Christians not lost Jews. If you fail only in one point, disobey in one point, you have disobeyed every point. If you have disobeyed in all points by simply breaking one point than all that you do is INIQUITY!!! Any attempt to be justified before God by your own personal obedience requires no violation of any point of God's commandments! Don't you understand that?

When you attempt to use your own personal obedience to satisfy the righteous standard demanded by God's law for justification before God you can only be successful and regarded obedient if you NEVER EVER FAIL in one point. If you fail but in one point you are brought under the laws condemnation not its commendation and you fail EVERY POINT. That is precisely why in regard to satisfying God's righteousness by personal obedience THERE IS NONE GOOD no, NOT ONE!


I gave the Biblical definition of sin in Romans 3:23. Sin is coming short or failing to measure up to the PERSONAL righteousness of God. If you come short of being righteous as HE IS RIGHTEOUS you have sinned. Therefore, to be perfect even as the Father in heaven is perfect, is the only way not to come "short" of God's righteousness. If your righteousness does not EQUAL God's personal righteousness you cannot enter heaven as it is HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS that is the standard for entrance and that righteousness EXCEEDS the righteousenss of the scribes and pharisees which were considered in Christ's day as the STANDARD of obedience among the professing people of God.


You are nothing more than a modern day pharisee who believes you can be justified by your own works before God and therefore presumptuously believe that YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS does equal the righteousness of God and does not come short of God's Righteousness and does not fail at any point! If you didn't you would renounce your own righteousness and seek salvation by God's provision of that righteousness in the person and work of Jesus Christ FOR satisfaction of God's righteous demand for entance into heaven.

You don't even understand what sin is much less what salvation is. All of your righteousness, obedience, is as filthy rags if you are going to offer it up to satisfy God's entrance requirements for heaven! You are precisely those who stand before the Lord in Matthew 7:22-23 and offer up their own righteousness as fulfillment of the will of God to satisfy God's standard of righteousness. Your obedience is nothing but works of iniquity BECAUSE you are offering your OWN OBEDIENCE to satisfy God's righteous standard and YOUR OWN obedience comes short, your own obedience fails in MANY POINTS much less ONE point.

The issue in Matthew 7:21 is the Father's will IN REGARD TO WHAT IS NEEDED TO ACCEPT ANYONE INTO HEAVEN! Those in Matthew 7:22-23 fail to measure up to the revealed will of God concerning entrance requirements. They fail because all their sincere intentional acts of obedience are works of iniquity BECAUSE the righteousness demanded by God for entrance into heaven must EXCEED the obedience of those regarded as the most religious of Christ's day (v. 20). It must EXCEED all the interpretations they have "heard" from their elders (vv. 21-47) and it MUST EQUAL the personal righteousness of the Father in heaven becuase ONLY that righteousness is THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD and all who COME SHORT OF THIS GLORY OF GOD produce only WORKS OF INQUITY as it only takes violation of God's TEN COMMANDMENTS IN ONE POINT to violate EVERY POINT and therefore any life of obedience offered up to God on the day of judgement that has FAILED IN ONLY ONE POINT is nothing but works of iniquity!

The only ones who enter heaven are those who have Christ as the ROCK of their foundation. There is not one whit of difference between the houses built upon sand or rock as both are equally faulty - equally come short of God's sinless righteous standard. However, it is the ROCK that makes the difference between standing and falling on judgement day - it is CHRIST's righteousness ALONE that satisfies the Father's will to satisfy his righteous standard for entrance into heaven. Anything else offered is "SAND"!

This is the abc's of the gospel and you can't understand it because you are spiritually blind and you actually hate Christ and hate is Word and the proof is that you reject the righteousness of Jesus Christ and cling to YOUR OWN LIFE OF OBEDIENCE as your passport through judgement.

 

[The Biblicist]

The issue in Matthew 7:21 is the Father's will IN REGARD TO WHAT IS NEEDED TO ACCEPT ANYONE INTO HEAVEN! Those in Matthew 7:22-23 fail to measure up to the revealed will of God concerning entrance requirements. They fail because all their sincere intentional acts of obedience are works of iniquity BECAUSE the righteousness demanded by God for entrance into heaven must EXCEED the obedience of those regarded as the most religious of Christ's day (v. 20). It must EXCEED all the interpretations they have "heard" from their elders (vv. 21-47) and it MUST EQUAL the personal righteousness of the Father in heaven becuase ONLY that righteousness is THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD and all who COME SHORT OF THIS GLORY OF GOD produce only WORKS OF INQUITY as it only takes violation of God's TEN COMMANDMENTS IN ONE POINT to violate EVERY POINT and therefore any life of obedience offered up to God on the day of judgement that has FAILED IN ONLY ONE POINT is nothing but works of iniquity!

The only ones who enter heaven are those who have Christ as the ROCK of their foundation. There is not one whit of difference between the houses built upon sand or rock as both are equally faulty - equally come short of God's sinless righteous standard. However, it is the ROCK that makes the difference between standing and falling on judgement day - it is CHRIST's righteousness ALONE that satisfies the Father's will to satisfy his righteous standard for entrance into heaven. Anything else offered is "SAND"!

This is the abc's of the gospel and you can't understand it because you are spiritually blind and you actually hate Christ and hate is Word and the proof is that you reject the righteousness of Jesus Christ and cling to YOUR OWN LIFE OF OBEDIENCE as your passport through judgement.

Moriah do you know the contextual reason for this statement in James 2:10-11?

It is stated because in James 2:1-7 there were some in the assembly that had respect of persons between Christians. Verse 9 introduces this very subject again before verses 10-11 and verse 9 reads:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Do you know why "respect of persons" is committing sin? Because no human being is any better than any other human being regardless if they are lost or saved! Verses 10-11 proves this as there is no human being that can keep the Law of God, the ten commandments any better than any other human being because to sin in one point is to violate every point of the Law:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

No human exists that is not a sinner by this definition and therefore no person is better than any other person and to respect some above others is sin because "there is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Moriah you are a sinner and you are PERSONALLY no better than the harlot and the drunk in the gutter and if you think you are you don't understand the Biblical definition of sin and you certainly do not understand the Biblical definition of righteousness! To sin in ONLY ONE point makes you GUILTY OF ALL POINTS and the harlot is guilty of one point and the drunkard is guilty of one point and you can name those points in the ten commandments can't you??? However, YOU have not only violated every single one of the ten commandments in the past but you do every minute of every day because to violate ONE point is to violate ALL and EVERY point in the ten commandments.

Oh, you say, "I am no murderer or harlot" but you forget you violate every point when you COME SHORT of the standard of righteousness which the Law of God demands - which is nothing less than SINLESS PERFECTION or as righteous as God is righteous!

Do you actually believe God has a lessor moral standard for you than he does for Himself? Do you actually beleive that God has any standard of righteousness that he approves that is INFERIOR to His own righteousness? Do you acutally believe you do not come short of God's own righteousness every single second of every single minute in every single hour of every single day in every single week of every single month in every single year???? When you come short of being "perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" you violate every single one of the Ten commandments because to violate his righteousness in "one point" is to violate every single one!

Where are you going to obtain a righteousness that will not come short of God's own personal righteousness Moriah???? Where? You own obedient life certainly does not measure up to that holy standard! So where are you going to obtain it? Where Moriah???

Go learn what Jesus meant when he said, "I came not to call the righteous"! You think you are righteous don't you? You think you are obedient and you think your obedient life is your ticket out of hell and into heaven don't you??? Your personal obedience is nothing but works of iniquity when it comes to satisfying God's Law of righteusness for entance into heaven because to violate one point is to fail every point of the law and failure brings you under condemnation to hell not commendation for heaven. Where are you going to obtain a righteous life that God's standard of righteousness can approve? Where Moriah?

 

[Moriah]

As far as the immediate context, Jesus is explaining what it takes to FULFIL the righteousness God requires to be acceptable for entance into heaven. It EXCEEDS the scribes and Pharisees best efforts (v. 20).

Stop adding your own words.

It EXCEEDS the kind of righteousness defined by the traditions of the elders (vv. 21-47) or what you "have heard" (vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43). It EXCEEDS all of that because it EQUALS God's own personal righteousness which is PERFECT, SINLESS (v. 48). Paul reaffirms it is God's own personal righteousness that is revealed in the law and in the preson of Christ - Rom. 3:21 - and that is precisely why NO SINNER can ever be justified by personal obedience (Rom. 3:19-20)

If you read those scriptures in their passages carefully, you will see Jews and Gentiles are brought up, and circumcision. Paul is explaining that faith, for the Gentiles who have not had the law, saves them, as well as saves the Jews, who are of the law. See Romans 4:16. Abraham is the Father of both, Gentiles who have not had the law, and Jews who are of the law.

So again Moriah, where are you going to find an OBEDIENT LIFE that equals and therefore does not come short of God's personal righeousness to satisfy the Father's will for entrance into heaven?? Christ has already fulfilled it - finished it - he is the end of the law's demands for righteousness to all who believe in him as their fulfillment of righteousness to enter heaven.

Wow. Jesus died for our sins, but that does not mean you can go on sinning.

You don't even understand what sin is much less what obedience to God is!!

I do not think you know.

James gives you the Biblical definition of what sin is (James 2:10-11)! Can't you understand that? You are condemned as a sinner if you fail in ONE point of the law and the law in question is the ten commandments (James 2:11) and James is writing to professed Christians not lost Jews. If you fail only in one point, disobey in one point, you have disobeyed every point. If you have disobeyed in all points by simply breaking one point than all that you do is INIQUITY!!! Any attempt to be justified before God by your own personal obedience requires no violation of any point of God's commandments! Don't you understand that?

James is explaining to the Christians to not sin by showing favoritism. James is explaining that they are not to break the law at any point. They are breaking the law when they show favoritism. James teaches to be merciful. James says that those who make judgments without mercy will be treated the same way.
You miss the whole point of what James is teaching, and you make up false doctrines by your misunderstandings.
Again, James is teaching the Christians to not sin by showing favoritism, that it makes them a lawbreaker, but instead of harsh treatment to those who have shown favoritism, allow them to be forgiven and learn not to show favoritism.

When you attempt to use your own personal obedience to satisfy the righteous standard demanded by God's law for justification before God you can only be successful and regarded obedient if you NEVER EVER FAIL in one point. If you fail but in one point you are brought under the laws condemnation not its commendation and you fail EVERY POINT. That is precisely why in regard to satisfying God's righteousness by personal obedience THERE IS NONE GOOD no, NOT ONE!

Jesus’ blood cleans us from all past sins and from sins we commit after we are saved when we ask for forgiveness and TURN FROM THEM.

You are nothing more than a modern day pharisee who believes you can be justified by your own works before God

The Pharisees did not admit to being sinners, they did no repenting and were not baptized. I did those things.
LOL You compared me to the Pharisees.

and therefore presumptuously believe that YOUR OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS does equal the righteousness of God and does not come short of God's Righteousness and does not fail at any point! If you didn't you would renounce your own righteousness and seek salvation by God's provision of that righteousness in the person and work of Jesus Christ FOR satisfaction of God's righteous demand for entance into heaven.

Lol…I am a Christian who believes in Jesus Christ and what he has done and continues to do for me. I also got Jesus’ teachings and put them to practice, and I continue to do so.

You don't even understand what sin is much less what salvation is. All of your righteousness, obedience, is as filthy rags if you are going to offer it up to satisfy God's entrance requirements for heaven!

It is not a filthy rag to search for God. It is not a filthy rag to be sorry for your sins and desire to turn from them. It is not a filthy rag to get Jesus’ teachings and obey them.
It was a filthy rag for the Jews to give a sin offering and not really be sorry for their sins.

You are precisely those who stand before the Lord in Matthew 7:22-23 and offer up their own righteousness as fulfillment of the will of God to satisfy God's standard of righteousness. Your obedience is nothing but works of iniquity BECAUSE you are offering your OWN OBEDIENCE to satisfy God's righteous standard and YOUR OWN obedience comes short, your own obedience fails in MANY POINTS much less ONE point.

They continued to do an evil that is what they do that was wrong. They are not called evil doers because they got Jesus’ teachings and obeyed them!

 

[DHK]

I am not tossed to and fro. My beliefs are solid and sound. Your beliefs are the ones that toss to and fro.

1. You are not sound when you think works are necessary for salvation. Paul calls that message accursed.
2. If I remember correctly you are not sound on man's nature, the depravity of man.
3. You are not sound on the eternal security of the believer.
4. You are not sound on the work of the Holy Spirit: the time of his indwelling of the believer.
5. You are not even sound on salvation: what must a person do to be saved?

Yes you are tossed to and fro in doctrine. You are very confused.
You are confused especially about "works."

On one side, you say we can believe in Jesus.
On the other side, you say we can understand nothing.

First, in order to be saved one must put their faith in Christ and his atoning work. It is by faith and faith alone. Salvation is not by works.
Secondly, the unsaved man, on his own does not understand spiritual things, as demonstrated in the life of the Ethiopian Eunuch.
See 1Cor.2:14.
If you are not saved it would explain your confusion.
You refuse teachers; you refuse the local church, and you claim salvation is by works: all of which is Biblically wrong.

On one side, you say repent.
On the other side, you say repenting means nothing.

Repentance is needful in its proper context and definition, but defined as "sorrow for sin" when applied to the unsaved, then it becomes useless if not heretical. Sorrow for sin won't save anyone.

On one side, you say we do not have to obey Jesus to remain saved.
On the other side, you say all obey when they are saved.

Every genuine believer obeys Christ out of his love for the Lord, and his desire to please him. It is not a simple religious duty, it service out of love. If we sin, our salvation is not in danger, it is our fellowship that is broken, which can easily be restored by confessing our sin.

On one side, you say a person who does not obey Jesus will have a fellowship problem.
On the other side, a person does not lose their salvation.

Fellowship and salvation are two completely different topics. You need teachers to teach you; pastors to pastor you. You are in rebellion to the Lord.

You just described yourself and many others here.

Your doctrine borders on heresy, and some of it is heresy, and you refuse the teaching of everyone. Your pride gets in the way for you think that you are the only one right and everyone else is wrong.

I don't have the heretical beliefs that I listed, the ones that you believe and are very confused on. You are confused because you refuse teaching, teachers, pastors, and the authority of a local church.

It is not a command. God does not say what you say here.

This is a command:
Hebrews 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
--The manner of the churches were to assemble together at a regular time. The Hebrew Christians had been forsaking that duty, perhaps out of discouragement, having faced a great deal of persecution. The writer is urging them to, even commanding them to go back to their assemblies. The word for church in the NT is ekklesia or "assembly" They were to assemble themselves together. That was their church--organized assemblies. This is another area in which you are very confused.

You do not stay in line to what God says; no doubt, you will not try to stay in line to what I say. You make things up about God, and you make things up about me.

Why would anyone stay "in line to what you say"!!!!! You preach a heretical message. I hope no one listens to you or takes your advice. You rebel against God. You don't want to be taught. You don't like teachers. You don't want pastors. You don't want to come under the authority of a local church. This is the greatest form of rebellion one can show. The local church is God's ordained institution for this day and age. What did Paul do on his missionary journeys? For what purpose did he sacrifice his life? It was to establish scores of local churches.

It is not a command to join a church. What has it done for you? It has reinforced your false beliefs.

It is a command to join a local church.
Every believer that was ever came to Christ and was baptized became a member of a local church. If you fail to see the importance of the local church in Scripture you are lacking something. Something is wrong.

You see, this is how you react when I say we are to obey. You prove that a person cannot tell you to obey. You get more irrational.

You have made accusations inferring that we have said things we never said. I gave you some of your own medicine. That is not irrational. I did the same thing that you did. You don't like it. You call it irrational. Good! Maybe you will stop doing it now.

I have no idea what you are talking about right there.

You make up things, like I said. In your previous post this is what you said:

They can led you to the Truth, and in that, they can help you get saved, but only Jesus does the saving, only Jesus gives the Holy Spirit.

Notice the "but". Only Jesus does the saving. You are saying that we don't believe that Jesus does the saving. That is a false allegation. You are making this stuff up. It is a lie from the pit of hell if you want me to be blunt. Why are you lying?

We are not chosen before the foundation of the earth whether we obey or not. How could you ever get that Calvinism is like what I believe. That is just another example of your tossed around self of comments and beliefs.

You keep saying it, that is why. It is God that chooses us. Yes, every Calvinist believes that. If you are going to make statements like that without explanation expect to be associated with others who make the same statements.

 

[Moriah]

The issue in Matthew 7:21 is the Father's will IN REGARD TO WHAT IS NEEDED TO ACCEPT ANYONE INTO HEAVEN! Those in Matthew 7:22-23 fail to measure up to the revealed will of God concerning entrance requirements. They fail because all their sincere intentional acts of obedience are works of iniquity BECAUSE the righteousness demanded by God for entrance into heaven must EXCEED the obedience of those regarded as the most religious of Christ's day (v. 20). It must EXCEED all the interpretations they have "heard" from their elders (vv. 21-47) and it MUST EQUAL the personal righteousness of the Father in heaven becuase ONLY that righteousness is THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD and all who COME SHORT OF THIS GLORY OF GOD produce only WORKS OF INQUITY as it only takes violation of God's TEN COMMANDMENTS IN ONE POINT to violate EVERY POINT and therefore any life of obedience offered up to God on the day of judgement that has FAILED IN ONLY ONE POINT is nothing but works of iniquity!

What you say is not an explanation of Matthew 7.
It seems every teaching of Jesus to us, you nullify it, for you say it is not something we can even do!

The only ones who enter heaven are those who have Christ as the ROCK of their foundation. There is not one whit of difference between the houses built upon sand or rock as both are equally faulty

You nullify what Jesus says again! It makes a difference in what we do.
Matthew 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

- equally come short of God's sinless righteous standard. However, it is the ROCK that makes the difference between standing and falling on judgement day - it is CHRIST's righteousness ALONE that satisfies the Father's will to satisfy his righteous standard for entrance into heaven. Anything else offered is "SAND"!

This is the abc's of the gospel and you can't understand it because you are spiritually blind and you actually hate Christ and hate is Word and the proof is that you reject the righteousness of Jesus Christ and cling to YOUR OWN LIFE OF OBEDIENCE as your passport through judgement.

God does not even know you unless you love God. You do not love God unless you obey God.
See 1 Corinthians 8:3, and John 14:21, 23.
If you want to be known by God, Galatians 4:9, then obey God, John 14:21. The man who loves God is known by God, 1 Corinthians 8:3. Those who love God, they are the ones who obey God, see John 14:23.
1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.

Jesus says you are a liar if you say you know him but do not do what he commands.

1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We do not even remain in Jesus love unless we obey his commands. Just as Jesus remains in his Father’s love.

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

1 John 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

Hebrews 5:9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.

1 John 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 11:28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

John 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 15:20 Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

Acts 16:4 As they traveled from town to town, they delivered the decisions reached by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the people to obey.

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Romans 15:18 I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—

Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him—

2 Thessalonians 1:8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed.

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.

1 Peter 3:6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 John 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:

1 John 3:22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.

1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

Revelation 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

 

[Moriah]

Moriah do you know the contextual reason for this statement in James 2:10-11?

It is stated because in James 2:1-7 there were some in the assembly that had respect of persons between Christians. Verse 9 introduces this very subject again before verses 10-11 and verse 9 reads:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Do you know why "respect of persons" is committing sin? Because no human being is any better than any other human being regardless if they are lost or saved! Verses 10-11 proves this as there is no human being that can keep the Law of God, the ten commandments any better than any other human being because to sin in one point is to violate every point of the Law:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

No human exists that is not a sinner by this definition and therefore no person is better than any other person and to respect some above others is sin because "there is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Moriah you are a sinner and you are PERSONALLY no better than the harlot and the drunk in the gutter and if you think you are you don't understand the Biblical definition of sin and you certainly do not understand the Biblical definition of righteousness! To sin in ONLY ONE point makes you GUILTY OF ALL POINTS and the harlot is guilty of one point and the drunkard is guilty of one point and you can name those points in the ten commandments can't you??? However, YOU have not only violated every single one of the ten commandments in the past but you do every minute of every day because to violate ONE point is to violate ALL and EVERY point in the ten commandments.

Oh, you say, "I am no murderer or harlot" but you forget you violate every point when you COME SHORT of the standard of righteousness which the Law of God demands - which is nothing less than SINLESS PERFECTION or as righteous as God is righteous!

Do you actually believe God has a lessor moral standard for you than he does for Himself? Do you actually beleive that God has any standard of righteousness that he approves that is INFERIOR to His own righteousness? Do you acutally believe you do not come short of God's own righteousness every single second of every single minute in every single hour of every single day in every single week of every single month in every single year???? When you come short of being "perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" you violate every single one of the Ten commandments because to violate his righteousness in "one point" is to violate every single one!

Where are you going to obtain a righteousness that will not come short of God's own personal righteousness Moriah???? Where? You own obedient life certainly does not measure up to that holy standard! So where are you going to obtain it? Where Moriah???

Go learn what Jesus meant when he said, "I came not to call the righteous"! You think you are righteous don't you? You think you are obedient and you think your obedient life is your ticket out of hell and into heaven don't you??? Your personal obedience is nothing but works of iniquity when it comes to satisfying God's Law of righteusness for entance into heaven because to violate one point is to fail every point of the law and failure brings you under condemnation to hell not commendation for heaven. Where are you going to obtain a righteous life that God's standard of righteousness can approve? Where Moriah?

You cannot stop yourself from speaking against obeying.

You even change the words of God to make it sound like God is telling us things we do not have to do because Jesus saves!

Therefore, you do not teach that Jesus teaches us anything to obey.

We must believe and obey.

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

 

[The Biblicist]

Moriah do you know the contextual reason for this statement in James 2:10-11?

It is stated because in James 2:1-7 there were some in the assembly that had respect of persons between Christians. Verse 9 introduces this very subject again before verses 10-11 and verse 9 reads:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Do you know why "respect of persons" is committing sin? Because no human being is any better than any other human being regardless if they are lost or saved! Verses 10-11 proves this as there is no human being that can keep the Law of God, the ten commandments any better than any other human being because to sin in one point is to violate every point of the Law:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

No human exists that is not a sinner by this definition and therefore no person is better than any other person and to respect some above others is sin because "there is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Moriah you are a sinner and you are PERSONALLY no better than the harlot and the drunk in the gutter and if you think you are you don't understand the Biblical definition of sin and you certainly do not understand the Biblical definition of righteousness! To sin in ONLY ONE point makes you GUILTY OF ALL POINTS and the harlot is guilty of one point and the drunkard is guilty of one point and you can name those points in the ten commandments can't you??? However, YOU have not only violated every single one of the ten commandments in the past but you do every minute of every day because to violate ONE point is to violate ALL and EVERY point in the ten commandments.

Oh, you say, "I am no murderer or harlot" but you forget you violate every point when you COME SHORT of the standard of righteousness which the Law of God demands - which is nothing less than SINLESS PERFECTION or as righteous as God is righteous!

Do you actually believe God has a lessor moral standard for you than he does for Himself? Do you actually beleive that God has any standard of righteousness that he approves that is INFERIOR to His own righteousness? Do you acutally believe you do not come short of God's own righteousness every single second of every single minute in every single hour of every single day in every single week of every single month in every single year???? When you come short of being "perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" you violate every single one of the Ten commandments because to violate his righteousness in "one point" is to violate every single one!

Where are you going to obtain a righteousness that will not come short of God's own personal righteousness Moriah???? Where? You own obedient life certainly does not measure up to that holy standard! So where are you going to obtain it? Where Moriah???

Go learn what Jesus meant when he said, "I came not to call the righteous"! You think you are righteous don't you? You think you are obedient and you think your obedient life is your ticket out of hell and into heaven don't you??? Your personal obedience is nothing but works of iniquity when it comes to satisfying God's Law of righteusness for entance into heaven because to violate one point is to fail every point of the law and failure brings you under condemnation to hell not commendation for heaven. Where are you going to obtain a righteous life that God's standard of righteousness can approve? Where Moriah?

Come on Moriah deal with what I said above! You ignored it and changed the subject and simply made accusations. Deal with what I said!

 

[The Biblicist]

Stop adding your own words.

Hypocrit! Every single scripture I have placed before you, you completely ignore what the text says and add your own words and you dare charge me with adding my own words! Reread your own responses and see who is really adding their own words.

I explain the text just like you do in your own words:

James is explaining to the Christians to not sin by showing favoritism. - Moriah

James is explaining that they are not to break the law at any point. - Moriah

See, you don't simply stick to the Biblical words either but attempt to give an explanation! I could quote multitudes of your responses where you don't even quote one single word of a text but either completely give your own explanation in your own words or completely ignore that text altogether. You are a hypocrit because you CONSTANTLY do exactly what you are charging others with doing and do WORSE!

 

[The Biblicist]

If you read those scriptures in their passages carefully, you will see Jews and Gentiles are brought up, and circumcision. Paul is explaining that faith, for the Gentiles who have not had the law, saves them, as well as saves the Jews, who are of the law. See Romans 4:16. Abraham is the Father of both, Gentiles who have not had the law, and Jews who are of the law.

That was your stupid response to the following comment I made:

Originally Posted by The Biblicist
It EXCEEDS the kind of righteousness defined by the traditions of the elders (vv. 21-47) or what you "have heard" (vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43). It EXCEEDS all of that because it EQUALS God's own personal righteousness which is PERFECT, SINLESS (v. 48). Paul reaffirms it is God's own personal righteousness that is revealed in the law and in the preson of Christ - Rom. 3:21 - and that is precisely why NO SINNER can ever be justified by personal obedience (Rom. 3:19-20)


I say "stupid" response because what you said has NOTHING to do with what I said or the points I made in that comment above! I could justly say to you -STOP ADDING YOUR OWN WORDS because that is precisely what you did by your response as your response has NOTHING to do with a single solitary scripture I quoted - NOTHING!

I think you better pick up your Bible and read those texts before you make such a senseless comment. No gentiles, no circumcision, no Abraham are mentioned in any of the texts I referred to!

When you respond to this post (if you do or can) you will again ignore those scriptures and what they say because you are not capable of discerning or dealing with them honestly or fairly. You simply do not have any spiritual discerning of scripture at all and your posts repeatedly demonstrate it. Prove me wrong and for once make a response that has some common sense to it!

Again, The contextual argument or flow in Matthew 5:16-48 is:

1. Jesus came to fulfil the Laws' demands - vv. 16-19
2. The standard of righteousness demanded by God to enter heaven must EXCEED - vv. 20-47

a. The Scribes and Pharisees - v. 20
b. The interpretations of the elders - "you have heard" - vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43

3. Conclusion it must EQUAL God's own personal righteousness - v. 48

There is no point in telling his audiance what it must EXCEED if he does not tell them what that is and verse 48 tells them precisely what that standard of righteousness is!

This is precisely what Paul says in Romans 3:21-22 that the righteousness of God, His own personal righteouenss is what is revealed in the law and the prophets and finally in the person of Jesus Christ and it makes no difference if you are a Jew or a Gentile "ALL HAVE COME SHORT" of that standard, that glory, that righteousness which belongs to God:

Rom. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

verse 21-22 The righteousness of God is NOW made manifest apart from the Law and prohets - which is the righteousness revealed "of Jesus Christ"
verse 21-22 The righteousness of God has been and is manifested in the law and prophets but "NOW" in addition it is manifested in the person and life of Jesus Christ
verse 22 - The righteousness of God is obtained unto all who believe and it is upon all who believe as explained in verses 24-26.
verse 22-23 There is no difference whether you are Jew or Gentile (vv. 9, 19-20) for all have come short of the glory of God - His righteousness and so the only way to obtain it is thorugh faith in Christ - vv. 24-25!


Not one word about circumcison in the above texts. Not one word about Abraham in the above texts. It is about THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD that is revealed in the law and prophets and in the person of Jesus Christ and how faith in Christ is the only way to obtain that righteousness. That is precisely what Jesus is telling his disciples in Matthew 5:16-48. He came to fulfill the Law's righteousness completely and without that righteousness no man can enter heaven because entrance into heaven requires a righteousness that EXCEEDS the righteousness of those considered the most pious in their day - the scribes and pharisees. It requires a righteousness that exceeds the interpretation by the elders which ye "have heard" (vv. 21-47) as it requires a righteousness EQUAL to God and the words "even as" in verse 48 mean EQUAL!

Now, I dare you to honestly show by competent interpretation where I misrepresented one single verse I have commented upon! Don't make silly charges but BACK THEM UP with exposition that demonstrates my interpretations are in error. I don't make unsubstantiated charges against your interpretations but I show exactly why they are wrong!

 

[The Biblicist]

What you say is not an explanation of Matthew 7.
It seems every teaching of Jesus to us, you nullify it, for you say it is not something we can even do!

You nullify what Jesus says again! It makes a difference in what we do.
Matthew 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.

God does not even know you unless you love God. You do not love God unless you obey God.
See 1 Corinthians 8:3, and John 14:21, 23.
If you want to be known by God, Galatians 4:9, then obey God, John 14:21. The man who loves God is known by God, 1 Corinthians 8:3. Those who love God, they are the ones who obey God, see John 14:23.
1 John 2:3 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands.

Jesus says you are a liar if you say you know him but do not do what he commands.

1 John 2:4 The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We do not even remain in Jesus love unless we obey his commands. Just as Jesus remains in his Father’s love.

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

1 John 3:24 Those who obey his commands live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

Hebrews 5:9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him

1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.

1 John 3:6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 4:20 If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Matthew 28:20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 11:28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.

John 14:24 He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.

John 15:10 If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 15:20 Remember the words I spoke to you: ‘No servant is greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

Acts 5:32 We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

Acts 16:4 As they traveled from town to town, they delivered the decisions reached by the apostles and elders in Jerusalem for the people to obey.

Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Romans 15:18 I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done—

Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him—

2 Thessalonians 1:8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

2 Thessalonians 3:14 If anyone does not obey our instruction in this letter, take special note of him. Do not associate with him, in order that he may feel ashamed.

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.

1 Peter 1:22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.

1 Peter 3:6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

1 Peter 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1 John 2:5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him:

1 John 3:22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.

1 John 5:3 This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

Revelation 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

Here is the root of your error in regard to all the verses you quote above. They refer to those who are ALREADY children of God whereas my scriptures deal with the LOST "the ungodly", or how to BECOME a child of God.

You do not understand that "good works" FOLLOW being "created in Christ Jesus" in Ephesians 2:10 and Ephesians 2:8-10 is describing how one becomes a child of God. You want to place the "good works" in Ephesians 2:10 BEFORE being created in Christ Jesus and before one is "saved by grace through faith." You can't deal with this scripture so you either ignore it or change it to suit yourself.

 

[Moriah]

Come on Moriah deal with what I said above! You ignored it and changed the subject and simply made accusations. Deal with what I said!

You quoted yourself, your own post, then said I ignored what you said and changed the subject and simply made accusations! Then you told me to deal with what you said. LOL Quote what I said and comment on that. You just accused me of everything you did.

 

[Moriah]

Hypocrit! Every single scripture I have placed before you, you completely ignore what the text says and add your own words and you dare charge me with adding my own words! Reread your own responses and see who is really adding their own words.

I explain the text just like you do in your own words:

James is explaining to the Christians to not sin by showing favoritism. - Moriah

James is explaining that they are not to break the law at any point. - Moriah

See, you don't simply stick to the Biblical words either but attempt to give an explanation! I could quote multitudes of your responses where you don't even quote one single word of a text but either completely give your own explanation in your own words or completely ignore that text altogether. You are a hypocrit because you CONSTANTLY do exactly what you are charging others with doing and do WORSE!

You do not merely explain scripture, YOU CHANGE WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY!
Repeatedly you make false accusations and do the exact thing you falsely accuse me.
Something else…you need to quote the whole thing I said in context! Instead, you just quote a few words or nothing at all. You do this so it makes it harder for others to see the truth.

 

[The Biblicist]

You quoted yourself, your own post, then said I ignored what you said and changed the subject and simply made accusations! Then you told me to deal with what you said. LOL Quote what I said and comment on that. You just accused me of everything you did.

I requoted my post because when you quoted it you failed to even address it! Go back and look at your initial response to my post and you will see what I mean. Forget it, I will simply quote your response which has nothing to do with my post but a complete avoidance of my post. Here is your response:

You cannot stop yourself from speaking against obeying.

You even change the words of God to make it sound like God is telling us things we do not have to do because Jesus saves!

Therefore, you do not teach that Jesus teaches us anything to obey.

We must believe and obey.

Matthew 23:3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
Today 02:08 AM - Moriah


That was your response now here is the post that response was made toward:


Originally Posted by The Biblicist
Moriah do you know the contextual reason for this statement in James 2:10-11?

It is stated because in James 2:1-7 there were some in the assembly that had respect of persons between Christians. Verse 9 introduces this very subject again before verses 10-11 and verse 9 reads:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

Do you know why "respect of persons" is committing sin? Because no human being is any better than any other human being regardless if they are lost or saved! Verses 10-11 proves this as there is no human being that can keep the Law of God, the ten commandments any better than any other human being because to sin in one point is to violate every point of the Law:

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

No human exists that is not a sinner by this definition and therefore no person is better than any other person and to respect some above others is sin because "there is no difference, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."

Moriah you are a sinner and you are PERSONALLY no better than the harlot and the drunk in the gutter and if you think you are you don't understand the Biblical definition of sin and you certainly do not understand the Biblical definition of righteousness! To sin in ONLY ONE point makes you GUILTY OF ALL POINTS and the harlot is guilty of one point and the drunkard is guilty of one point and you can name those points in the ten commandments can't you??? However, YOU have not only violated every single one of the ten commandments in the past but you do every minute of every day because to violate ONE point is to violate ALL and EVERY point in the ten commandments.

Oh, you say, "I am no murderer or harlot" but you forget you violate every point when you COME SHORT of the standard of righteousness which the Law of God demands - which is nothing less than SINLESS PERFECTION or as righteous as God is righteous!

Do you actually believe God has a lessor moral standard for you than he does for Himself? Do you actually beleive that God has any standard of righteousness that he approves that is INFERIOR to His own righteousness? Do you acutally believe you do not come short of God's own righteousness every single second of every single minute in every single hour of every single day in every single week of every single month in every single year???? When you come short of being "perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect" you violate every single one of the Ten commandments because to violate his righteousness in "one point" is to violate every single one!

Where are you going to obtain a righteousness that will not come short of God's own personal righteousness Moriah???? Where? You own obedient life certainly does not measure up to that holy standard! So where are you going to obtain it? Where Moriah???

Go learn what Jesus meant when he said, "I came not to call the righteous"! You think you are righteous don't you? You think you are obedient and you think your obedient life is your ticket out of hell and into heaven don't you??? Your personal obedience is nothing but works of iniquity when it comes to satisfying God's Law of righteusness for entance into heaven because to violate one point is to fail every point of the law and failure brings you under condemnation to hell not commendation for heaven. Where are you going to obtain a righteous life that God's standard of righteousness can approve? Where Moriah?

 

[Moriah]

That was your stupid response to the following comment I made:

It is the BIBLICAL comment to what you said.

I say "stupid" response because what you said has NOTHING to do with what I said or the points I made in that comment above!

Because what you said is NOT what the scriptures in Romans is about.

I think you better pick up your Bible and read those texts before you make such a senseless comment. No gentiles, no circumcision, no Abraham are mentioned in any of the texts I referred to!

You do not see it because your false teachers used those scriptures to make new doctrines. Read the whole passage, even if you have to read the whole Chapter and the next.

Again, The contextual argument or flow in Matthew 5:16-48 is:

1. Jesus came to fulfil the Laws' demands - vv. 16-19

Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets. That does not mean we can sin now.
Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. That means everything that the Old Testament prophesied about, Jesus fulfilled. It means we do not have to observe special days.
It means we do not have to have to get animals and sacrifice them. It means we do not have to do Burnt Offering, Sin Offering, Fellowship Offering, etc. It means all our sins were paid for.

2. The standard of righteousness demanded by God to enter heaven must EXCEED - vv. 20-47
a. The Scribes and Pharisees - v. 20
b. The interpretations of the elders - "you have heard" - vv. 21,27,31,33,38,43

3. Conclusion it must EQUAL God's own personal righteousness - v. 48

You just added to God’s word again, which nullifies God’s word. Your conclusion is made up words to support false doctrines.

There is no point in telling his audiance what it must EXCEED if he does not tell them what that is and verse 48 tells them precisely what that standard of righteousness is!

Jesus tells us what we must do to exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees!
Jesus says we must not murder, but we are not even to be angry with our brother!
YOU KEEP TRYING TO GET RID OF THE COMMANDS OF JESUS.
Jesus says the Pharisees do not practice what they preach!
We are to obey Jesus.

This is precisely what Paul says in Romans 3:21-22 that the righteousness of God, His own personal righteouenss is what is revealed in the law and the prophets and finally in the person of Jesus Christ and it makes no difference if you are a Jew or a Gentile "ALL HAVE COME SHORT" of that standard, that glory, that righteousness which belongs to God:

Rom. 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

verse 21-22 The righteousness of God is NOW made manifest apart from the Law and prohets - which is the righteousness revealed "of Jesus Christ"
verse 21-22 The righteousness of God has been and is manifested in the law and prophets but "NOW" in addition it is manifested in the person and life of Jesus Christ
verse 22 - The righteousness of God is obtained unto all who believe and it is upon all who believe as explained in verses 24-26.
verse 22-23 There is no difference whether you are Jew or Gentile (vv. 9, 19-20) for all have come short of the glory of God - His righteousness and so the only way to obtain it is thorugh faith in Christ - vv. 24-25!

Not one word about circumcison in the above texts.

Are you kidding? The VERY FIRST SCRIPTURE THAT STARTS IN ROMANS 3 mentions circumcision!!
THEN that very same passage mentions circumcision again, JUST FIVE SCRIPTURES from the last one you quoted!
The scriptures you quote and use for false doctrines claiming we do not have to obey and are not expected to obey…THOSE SCRIPTURES IN THAT CHAPTER BEGIN AND END WITH CIRCUMCISION! LOLOLOLOL

 

[DHK]

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You do not see it because your false teachers used those scriptures to make new doctrines. Read the whole passage, even if you have to read the whole Chapter and the next.

Who are your false teachers Moriah?
Where did you get your false doctrine from?
What denomination?
What church?
Why won't you say?
What are you afraid of?

False doctrines:
"I don't need teachers or pastors."
"I don't need to attend a local church."
The denial of either the depravity of man or the sin nature of man.
The assertion that man must be saved by good works.
The assertion that man must remain saved by good works.
The assertion that repentance is sorrow for sin.
The assertion that baptism is necessary for salvation.
The denial of the Great Commission.
The assertion that the Great Commission was fulfilled in the time of the apostles and therefore not applicable to us today.
The assertion that one can receive the Holy Spirit after the time of salvation, and not at the time of salvation.

Look at all the false doctrine you have been taught! Yet you say you don't have need of teachers?? You want to teachers others, but you would teach them heresy! Really, by the proclamation and desire to teach all of the above you shouldn't even be allowed to post here because you keep saying that you love to share these things with others, and teach them. And at the same time you are unwilling to be taught or corrected of any of these false teachings yourself.

You are still adamant in not identifying yourself. You give no denomination, and no church. You could be a Mormon who has a denomination and considers himself a Christian, which is how you have described yourself. How are you any different. You haven't told us.

 

[Moriah]

Who are your false teachers Moriah?
Where did you get your false doctrine from?
What denomination?
What church?
Why won't you say?
What are you afraid of?

I have already told you before, that I have been a Catholic and in other false denominations. I have even had people try to lead me to false beliefs after I have been saved. I check on everything that I am taught now.

False doctrines:
"I don't need teachers or pastors."
"I don't need to attend a local church."
The denial of either the depravity of man or the sin nature of man.
The assertion that man must be saved by good works.
The assertion that man must remain saved by good works.
The assertion that repentance is sorrow for sin.
The assertion that baptism is necessary for salvation.
The denial of the Great Commission.
The assertion that the Great Commission was fulfilled in the time of the apostles and therefore not applicable to us today.
The assertion that one can receive the Holy Spirit after the time of salvation, and not at the time of salvation.

I expected this from you, to misrepresent my beliefs. This is a debate group. Use scripture to show what you think I believe is false, for I show you with scripture your false doctrines.

Look at all the false doctrine you have been taught! Yet you say you don't have need of teachers?? You want to teachers others, but you would teach them heresy! Really, by the proclamation and desire to teach all of the above you shouldn't even be allowed to post here because you keep saying that you love to share these things with others, and teach them. And at the same time you are unwilling to be taught or corrected of any of these false teachings yourself.

You are the one who does not want to learn from anyone else. Show me where you admitted to being wrong and learning from someone else. LOL

You are still adamant in not identifying yourself. You give no denomination, and no church.

I understand that you do not recognize what this means, but as I have said many times, I am a Christian, and I belong to the body of Christ.

You could be a Mormon who has a denomination and considers himself a Christian, which is how you have described yourself. How are you any different. You haven't told us.

You repeat the same falseness repeatedly. Mormons are a denomination. I said I am not in any denomination, not even non-denominational. If you do not know by now the difference between what I have been saying and what the Mormons believe, then you must be beyond teaching, something you have accused me of being, yet your false accusations to me prove what you are.

 

[DHK]

You repeat the same falseness repeatedly. Mormons are a denomination. I said I am not in any denomination, not even non-denominational. If you do not know by now the difference between what I have been saying and what the Mormons believe, then you must be beyond teaching, something you have accused me of being, yet your false accusations to me prove what you are.

You don't get it do you?
Let me start a simple questionnaire for you. I will fill it out the way you do.

Name: name.

Occupation: occupation.

Address: address.

Religion: religion.

That is the insulting way that you have filled out your profile, and it was mistakenly accepted though it was filled out wrong.

For denomination you put "Christian"

For church you put "body of Christ"

You might as well as put "chicken" and "dog". Both of your answers don't make sense for they have nothing to do with denomination and church. They are simply insults to one's intelligence.

BTW, I could put my past background too--RCC, but that is not what I am now, is it?

 

[Moriah]

You don't get it do you?
Let me start a simple questionnaire for you. I will fill it out the way you do.

That is the insulting way that you have filled out your profile, and it was mistakenly accepted though it was filled out wrong.

For denomination you put "Christian"

For church you put "body of Christ"

You might as well as put "chicken" and "dog". Both of your answers don't make sense for they have nothing to do with denomination and church. They are simply insults to one's intelligence.

BTW, I could put my past background too--RCC, but that is not what I am now, is it?

I am a Christian.
I belong to the body of Christ.
I am not going to say I am in a denomination/church that I am not a member.
I have been discussing my beliefs for almost eight months now, if you do not understand who I am by now, whose fault is that?

 

[DHK]

I have already told you before, that I have been a Catholic and in other false denominations. I have even had people try to lead me to false beliefs after I have been saved. I check on everything that I am taught now.

We only know what you believe by what you post since you don't identify yourself. And much of it is contrary to Biblical teaching.

I expected this from you, to misrepresent my beliefs. This is a debate group. Use scripture to show what you think I believe is false, for I show you with scripture your false doctrines.

Just point out the doctrines that I have misrepresented.

You are the one who does not want to learn from anyone else. Show me where you admitted to being wrong and learning from someone else. LOL

You are being silly if not down right absurd. This is a baptist board. I believe in baptist doctrine and that baptist doctrine is Biblically correct and sound. I also can back it up with Scripture. Now you come along, and we can't even verify if you are a Mormon because you won't identify yourself. We simply know that you are not a Baptist. Of course I don't want to learn from your heresies. What an absurd idea that is!! Why would I want to do that! You come up with the craziest ideas! You are a guest on a Baptist board. You are not Baptist. Don't expect Baptists to believe your heresies.

I understand that you do not recognize what this means, but as I have said many times, I am a Christian, and I belong to the body of Christ.

That is what all the Mormons say. So how are you any different? You haven't told us yet. You refuse to identify yourself.

You repeat the same falseness repeatedly. Mormons are a denomination. I said I am not in any denomination, not even non-denominational. If you do not know by now the difference between what I have been saying and what the Mormons believe, then you must be beyond teaching, something you have accused me of being, yet your false accusations to me prove what you are.

You learned what you believe from someone. Who is it? Who brainwashed you into believing the false teaching that you now have accepted?