Featured Pastor and Teacher, or Pastor/Teacher?

Yes. I'm currently one of them That doesn't mean I'm not a teacher, it just means I'm not teaching.

Can a non-teacher teach? To teach means one has knowledge on the subject being conveyed to the learner, and if one is able to do this they are teachers.

All pastors must be the husband of one wife, but it doesn't mean all husbands of one wife are called to be pastors. Same principle with teachers / teaching.
Tom had a good point as well in the Ephesians text.

 

The overall word of God calls pastors to lead the local church. Not all pastors can teach, but can preach, and preaching includes opening the truth of God's word to all.

Some people like to play on words until they no longer have any meaning. Seven deacons, the only other officers of the local church, can often make up for the pastors' short-comings.

Cheers,

Jim

 

John, I'm not a Greek scholar, so I will yield to your knowledge on that. But I was an English major and am a student of the English language.

I could just as easily interpret your example as meaning that one intends for coffee and donuts to always be taken together. It doesn't mean coffee and donuts are the same. It means you have one, you also have the other.

Now, I grant that it may be possible that you can have a preacher/pastor who doesn't have the teaching gift--but I've never known one. Every pastor I've ever sat under also taught.

 

Hello John of Japan, nice to meet you.

It may be that you answer the question indirectly in your statment here, and I would ask...is there a passage in scripture where we find "shepherd/apostle" as we find "pastors and teachers?"

I am for the most part in agreement with your assessment: we do find men that are great pastors yet lousy teachers. And vice versa. It may be that the role of leadership is implied and perhaps the designations are given this way to reflect the different abilities within this role.

Just thinking out loud...don't hold it against me...lol.

God bless.

 

Not all teachers have the office of a pastor, but all pastors should be able to teach.

1 Timothy 3:2 (ESV)
2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

 

I would think it's obvious that some people are given the talent for teaching but not to be a pastor, and Eph. 4:11 clearly shows that pastors are to be teachers--at least, it's clear to me. I've know men who weren't called to either one but insisted on doing one or the other or both. Women are not to teach men or to be pastors, but they can teach other women and children. The Bible only says they are not to teach men. I know that sounds a bit old fashioned and out-dated, but it's still scripture whether we agree with it or not.

 

I think you missed my point brother. I'm not saying ONLY a pastor can be a teacher.. look at my post again. My statement is that ALL believers are to be teachers, the very term disciple not only implies we are to teach but establishes this fact. The great commissioning of the Church in Mat 28 speaks to all preaching (proclaiming) and teaching others. Teaching can be done in various ways (one-on-one, and a few, small groups, larger groups, ect..), however the pastor should be able to teach. This portion here I believe is not speaking of one-on-one or mentoring but is more focused toward the group that he will be pastoring thus toward the congregation as whole.

Yes, but does that negate the possibility of it being the latter?

Again, if it was something that can be demonstrated outside the scriptural text we can presume it is 'plausibly' possible. So if it is, we need proof - but if linguistics are not found in than a single portion, would we not look to the whole of scripture to posit if the possible unique usage might in fact be just what it is - used for this purpose in a unique way.

I don't necessarily see it as an office of the church in the passages referenced above, again because we are all to be teachers to varying degrees thus a type of position but not office. As I understand it, an office holds some type of authority that was acknowledge by church, is this not correct?

The passage in 1 Cor. 12 is speaking of gifts, not offices otherwise miracle working and tongues would be an office as well.

The Heb 5 passage speaks to my point.. EVERYONE should be or better is expected to eventually a teacher to some degree.

See with that I don't, I see the elder/pastor is in view who should be teaching as much as he is studying. I can't find where pastors aren't automatically assumed to be teaching as well as preaching.

Does yours above count

 

Paul uses both office and gift in Romans:

12:4-8
For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

 

Brother, me disagreeing with you on Greek isn't smart on my part, I haven't retained much of what I had in school. But I was taught that pastor and teacher in Eph. 4:11, was pastor-teacher. I will take from Tom Constable's teaching here, because it is right a long the line I was taught.

"We might better translate the Greek phrase rendered "pastors and teachers" as "pastor-teachers." The Greek construction suggests that one kind rather than two kinds of people is in view. The Greek article translated "the" occurs only before "pastor." Moreover the Greek conjunction translated "and" between "pastors" and "teachers" is different from the one used elsewhere in the verse (kai rather than de). However, the Greek construction may describe two types of gifted people whose ministries are among settled congregations in contrast to the itinerant ministries of the apostles, prophets, and evangelists. Probably the phrase describes the overseers of local churches who pastor and teach (cf. 1 Tim. 3:2; Titus 1:9; 1 Pet. 5:1–3)."

 

Anyone know which translation actually employs this term, "pastor-teacher"?

 

For those who've bought into this "pastor-teacher" business, is every pastor a "Pastor-Teacher", or is the title reserved for a certain class of pastor?

Because I see on John MacArthur's website he alone bears that hyphenate title. The youth ministers, etc., are just styled "pastor".

 

Off the top of my heard I would say all are, but I never had another pastor in any church that I've been placed in.
I know any church that I've been a member in I have had good pastor-teachers.
I believe I'm correct, but it isn't an issue that I would be dogmatic about.
And by the way I don't know of a Bible that employs the term.

 

Ephesians 4:11

KJB "pastors and teachers"
NKJV "pastors and teachers"
NASB "pastors and teachers"
HCSB "pastors and teachers"
NLT "pastors and teachers"
NRSV "pastors and teachers"
NIV "pastors and teachers"

ESV "shepherds and teachers"

MESS "pastor-teacher"