Literalism is a fatal disease

[thomas15]

Let me repeat "Literalism is a fatal disease". This according to a well know member of this forum.

Think about this for a minute. If the wages of sin are death then it stands to reason that taking some the words of our Lord as given to us in the Holy Bible seriously is a sinful. Are we to imply that those who make this claim believe that others who dare to take certain some of the words of Scripture literally will not enter into the Fathers house?

What about the concept that if some of the Bible is not trustworty or simply unbelievable then the whole rest of the book is suspect? And to complete the thought process, are there only a select few who know which words are in the special do not take literally catagory? If so, who are these people?

 

[Revmitchell]

Liberalism is a disease literalism or a correct view of scripture is necessary and intended by God. Of course God wants us to take Him literally.

 

[Tom Butler]

Some folks believe that the Bible is inspired in spots, and they are inspired to spot the spots.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Liberalism is a disease literalism or a correct view of scripture is necessary and intended by God. Of course God wants us to take Him literally.

Even if God is speaking metaphorically or in parables?

What about where we know there are errors, if taken literally, like the four corners of the earth?

 

[thomas15]

Even if God is speaking metaphorically or in parables?

What about where we know there are errors, if taken literally, like the four corners of the earth?

Some might on that day when they give their account will try to say I failed because the Bible has literary devices and the meaning is uncertain, others will blame the translators and still others will say some famous theologian told them this passage means such and such and that is why I didn't do what was commanded. But as for this simpleton, I'm simply relying on the idea that Jehovah gave us the Bible to teach us His ways and I'm simply taking Him at his word, awkward as it is at times.

But that doesn't get to the heart of the concept that "Literalism is a fatal disease".

 

[Revmitchell]

Even if God is speaking metaphorically or in parables?

What about where we know there are errors, if taken literally, like the four corners of the earth?

Crabby you and I have had this false debate over and over again. And you continue to show your ignorance about the literal method of interpretation. And by the way metaphor and parables do not excuse your liberalism. Now as Paul often said "I would not have you to be ignorant" so go and learn something about what you are trying to talk about. I am embarrassed for you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabby you and I have had this false debate over and over again. And you continue to show your ignorance about the literal method of interpretation. And by the way metaphor and parables do not excuse your liberalism. Now as Paul often said "I would not have you to be ignorant" so go and learn something about what you are trying to talk about. I am embarrassed for you.

How about when Paul says that he is speaking his own opinion and not it is not God speaking?

Are these ideas as literally true as when he speaks what God told him to say?

 

[Revmitchell]

How about when Paul says that he is speaking his own opinion and not it is not God speaking?

Are these ideas as literally true as when he speaks what God told him to say?

Please just stop, you have no idea what your talking about. Your Origenism is blinding you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Please just stop, you have no idea what your talking about. Your Origenism is blinding you.

How about the reversal of creation in Gen. 2 from Gen. 1?

How about a reasoned response instead of snide responses?

 

[Havensdad]

Even if God is speaking metaphorically or in parables?

What about where we know there are errors, if taken literally, like the four corners of the earth?

There isn't a North, South, East and West? When did this get discovered?? How is it an error to speak of four points on a compass?

 

[Havensdad]

How about the reversal of creation in Gen. 2 from Gen. 1?

How about a reasoned response instead of snide responses?

What reversal? There is not any reversal. What on EARTH have you dreamed up, Crabby?

 

[Crabtownboy]

What reversal? There is not any reversal. What on EARTH have you dreamed up, Crabby?

Havens, read the order of creation in Gen. 1. Then read Gen. 2 and see how the order of creation is reversed. In Gen. 1 man is created after the animals, after the plants, etc.. In Gen. 2 man is made before the animals, before the plants, etc.

 

[Havensdad]

Havens, read the order of creation in Gen. 1. Then read Gen. 2 and see how the order of creation is reversed. In Gen. 1 man is created after the animals, after the plants, etc.. In Gen. 2 man is made before the animals, before the plants, etc.

No, that is not at all what it says. In Genesis 1, God makes the universe. In Genesis 2, God plants a garden.

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

You do know the difference between a garden and a universe, don't you? Did you drop out in kindergarten? Your reading comprehension is a bit lacking. :tonofbricks:

 

[Crabtownboy]

No, that is not at all what it says. In Genesis 1, God makes the universe. In Genesis 2, God plants a garden.

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

You do know the difference between a garden and a universe, don't you? Did you drop out in kindergarten? Your reading comprehension is a bit lacking. :tonofbricks:

But the order of creation is not the same. You can dance around, but and you can insult ... shows a small mind when you do ... but the order is not the same in the two chapters.

Your have no argument, just attempted semantics to avoid a problem. It is no problem for me as the order does not matter. What matters is that, as it says in Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God ....................

Your take is a very liberal interpretation as you refuse to accept Gen. 1 and Gen. 2 literally. I am the conservative one here. I am taking it literally, but it presents no problem ... as you seem to suppose.

I would appreciate a reasoned Christ-like response.

 

[saturneptune]

No, that is not at all what it says. In Genesis 1, God makes the universe. In Genesis 2, God plants a garden.

Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

You do know the difference between a garden and a universe, don't you? Did you drop out in kindergarten? Your reading comprehension is a bit lacking. :tonofbricks:

I have always thought Genesis 1 and 2 are not literal. They are really an allegory for the end of time. Revelation is where Creation really took place, and God accidently made the clock go backwards.

 

[Revmitchell]

How about the reversal of creation in Gen. 2 from Gen. 1?

How about a reasoned response instead of snide responses?

You are not asking any questions related to the literal interpretation of scripture. Because you do not know what it is. Your Origenism has blinded. That is not snide it is fact.

 

[Revmitchell]

I have always thought Genesis 1 and 2 are not literal. They are really an allegory for the end of time. Revelation is where Creation really took place, and God accidently made the clock go backwards.

What a shame.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You are not asking any questions related to the literal interpretation of scripture. Because you do not know what it is. Your Origenism has blinded. That is not snide it is fact.

Well for heavens sake please enlighten all of us. I would appreciate it very much.

By the way I assume you are speaking about Origen Adamantius when you say 'origenism'. Right?

 

[Revmitchell]

Well for heavens sake please enlighten all of us. I would appreciate it very much.

Don't say "us" the ignorance here is your and your alone.

 

[thomas15]

...I would appreciate a reasoned Christ-like response.

If you cannot trust the first 3 chapters of the Bible then what business do you have trusting any of the other chapters of the Bible?