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  1. Jope

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    John 8:24 tells us that if the Jews don't believe Jesus is Christ... they will die in their sins...

    However:

    As concerning the gospel, Israel is our enemy for our [The Church, Christ's Body]'s sake...as touching the election [Deut. 4:28-31, Genesis 17:8, Rev. 7:4] Israel is beloved for the fathers' sakes [Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob...]. For the gifts [land, and that Abraham should be heir of the world, Gen. 13:15, Rom. 4:13, Gal. 3:18, Dan. 2:34-35, 44-45], and the calling [Isa. 41:8-9] of God are without repentance [Rom. 11:28-29].

    Romans 11:25 tells us that when the fulness of the Gentiles comes in, Israel will not be blinded anymore.

    Deut. 4:28-31 tells us that in the tribulation days, God will remember the Abrahamic covenant that he made...
    Deut. 30:1-8 tells us that after the tribulation, They [Israel]:

    "...shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; 3That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. 4If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee: 5And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers. 6And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. 7And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee. 8And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day."​
     
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    actually, the main point of jesus applies regardless if one is a Dispy or not!

    that a man cannot be saved by his own rightousness and good works, that ONLY thru the grace of God!
     
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    A Jew can be grafted in if they do not persist in unbelief. See Hebrews 11:23.

    The Jews missed their Messiah because they were looking for an earthly King and more concerned about an earthly land than what is spiritual.

    There are Christians who are keeping the flawed thinking alive, that Jesus is giving Jews an earthly land to rule on an earthly world.

    The saved will live with Jesus on a new earth, after the resurrection, after the great white throne judgment.

    Jews are accepting Jesus to this day. If when Jesus comes, many more Jews accept Jesus, there will probably be other races and those of different religions believing at that time in Jesus too.

    However, Jesus says when he comes again; he will come for those who are waiting for him.

    Hebrews 9:28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

    Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

    You should be concerned about all peoples turning to Jesus, not just the Jews.
     
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    Indeed


    Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
    Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh [who we are {Eph. 5:30}] the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body [The Church, His Body {Eph. 5:30}, who the 144 000 {Rev. 7:4} will not be a part of] by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
    Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
    Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
    Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.    ​

    Matthew 5:17-18 tells us that Christ did not come to destroy the law...
    Till heaven and earth pass [Rev. 21:1], one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

    [At least] some of the OT scriptures [such as Zech. 8:23, Ezek. 40-48, Isa 56:6-8] will be fulfilled after the rapture of Christ's Body.
     
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    So, does that mean you now agree that the Jew and the Gentile are the one new man in Christ?

    If someone is not a part of Jesus, then how do you think they can be saved? All must go through Jesus to get to the Father. They must have faith in Jesus, or they are not of God.
    Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. All the Old Testament was a prophecy about Jesus.
    All the observance of special days that the Jews had to adhere to, those were about Jesus.
    All the rules and regulations for the priests, Jesus fulfilled them.
    The ceremonial cleaning…Jesus fulfilled that.
    The animal sacrifices, no one has to do those things, because Jesus fulfilled the requirements.
    There is no more sin offering, burnt offering, guilt offering, fellowship offering.
    Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets.

    I do not know what you mean by saying the rapture of Christ’s Body.    ​
     
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    Post #22 and Post # 24.
     
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    The 144 000 will not be a part of the Church, Christ's Body. They will be the Psalm 45:13-15 and Mt. 25:1-13 virgins.
     
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    Please do not refer me back to posts. If you explained something that I do not understand, then maybe it means you need to explain in a different way perhaps.
     
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    We, the Church [Christ's Body], whether we be Jew or Gentile are joint-heirs with Christ [Rom. 8:17], we are members of His Body, of His Flesh, and of His bones [Eph. 5:30].
     
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    If a person is not a part of Jesus, then they are not a part of God.
     
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    Are you kidding? You said plainly that the new man is NOT the Jews and Gentiles. You said the new man is Christ.

    Jesus made the two one.
     
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    The Church [Christ's Body] is the heavenly temple in the Millennium [Jn. 2:21, Eph. 2:19-22, 1 Pet. 2:5].
    Israel won't be a part of that temple, they will have an earthly temple [Ezek. 40-48].
     
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    Do you think God approves of an earthly temple?
     
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    The New Man is Christ, we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones [Eph. 5:30].

    Interestingly, God called their [Adam and Eve]'s name Adam [Gen. 5:2].
    Same for the Church, Christ's Body.
     
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    Jesus made the Jew and the Gentile one new man.
     
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    Sure, Ezekiel 40-48 says so. [He can't lie...Numbers 23:19. & Jesus said that Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.{Mt. 5:17-18}]
     
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    ........Ok, guess I'm wrong, I guess the new man is the Jews and the Gentiles after all. [Eph. 2 says otherwise though....].
     
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    Jesus already fulfilled the law!
    Therefore, you think God cares about an earthly temple and not people to be the temples of the Holy Spirit.
    Do you also think that God would approve of animals sacrifices?
     
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