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Non Imputation of sin to God's Elect
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You are a good name caller. You are good with insults. But you are a very poor interpreter of scripture.
Romans 4:9-10 completely repudiates your interpretation of the time when non-imputation occurred in this context. Here are your problems and I list them:
1. Verse 9-10 deal with both with "when" and "how" imputation of righteousnes and non-imputation of sin occurred.
2. Verse 10 provides only TWO choices concerning "when" non-imputation occurred and they are - (1) in uncirumcision and (2) uncirucmision and both restrict its occurrence within the life time of Abraham.
3. Paul pinpoints the "when" to "in circumcision"
4. Hence, neither imputation of righteousness (v. 6) or non-imputation of sin (vv. 7-8) occurred before the world began or at the cross according to the context.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 ¶ Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Paul just cooked your goose sir or are you going to call him a liar too?
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Also, I gave you a solid interpretation of your passage in 2 Corithians 5:19. God was "in Christ" on the cross not in eternity past. On the cross God secured reconciliation with the world in the sense of the legal provision. However, ACTUAL reconciliation is obtained by the Holy Spirit through the "word" of the "ministry of reconciliation."
You may not agree with my interpretation but at least my interpretation agrees with the precise time for non-imputation of sin explicitly stated in Romans 4:10 - "when.....in circumcision." In contrast you must PIT your interpetation of 2 Cor. 5:19 AGAINST Romans 4:10. Whenever a person is forced to PIT scripture against scripture that is solid proof they are wrong and you are wrong.
savedbymercy
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Christ by becoming Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, became Legally Responsible for the sins of the Elect, so God, when they sinned in time in adam, did not impute legally their sins against them. 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
As far as when the debt would be paid, was between God and Christ, the debt was His, not theirs ! They were Justified / forgiven by Non Imputation as pointed out here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man [or world 2 Cor 5:19] to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This blessedness has nothing to do with their faith, nor the work of the Spirit in time !
Thats why Eternal Justification is a Gospel Message 2 Cor 5:19 which you do not even believe, you preach another Gospel Gal 1:8-9
Cat got your tongue? Paul has cooked your goose! The above exposition exposes you completely and you can't answer it!
savedbymercy
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Christ by becoming Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, became Legally Responsible for the sins of the Elect, so God, when they sinned in time in adam, did not impute legally their sins against them. 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
As far as when the debt would be paid, was between God and Christ, the debt was His, not theirs ! They were Justified / forgiven by Non Imputation as pointed out here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man [or world 2 Cor 5:19] to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This blessedness has nothing to do with their faith, nor the work of the Spirit in time !
Thats why Eternal Justification is a Gospel Message 2 Cor 5:19 which you do not even believe, you preach another Gospel Gal 1:8-9
I have responded to your text and your objections but YOU CANNOT ANSWER my text because it THOROUGHLY PROVES your interpretation of 2 Cor. 5 is wrong and so you RUN from it and all you can do is act like a parrot and just PIT 2 Cor. 5:19 against Romans 4:5-10. That is the tactic of all cults and those who embrace false doctrine as they cannot harmonzie the scriptures.
So your only response is to PIT Paul against Paul because Romans 5:10 cooked your goose!
Readers, I have responded to SBM's interpretation of 2 Cor. 5:19 and interpreted in perfect harmony with Romans 4:5-10 but SBM cannot deal with Romanss 4 and the contextual condemnation of his theory by Paul as presented above.
savedbymercy
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Christ by becoming Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, became Legally Responsible for the sins of the Elect, so God, when they sinned in time in adam, did not impute legally their sins against them. 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
As far as when the debt would be paid, was between God and Christ, the debt was His, not theirs ! They were Justified / forgiven by Non Imputation as pointed out here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man [or world 2 Cor 5:19] to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This blessedness has nothing to do with their faith, nor the work of the Spirit in time !
Thats why Eternal Justification is a Gospel Message 2 Cor 5:19 which you do not even believe, you preach another Gospel Gal 1:8-9
Your silence condemns you! I have answered yours but you cannot answer Paul in Romans 4:7-10. Cat got your tongue! All you can do is act like a parrot.
Above is absolute irrefutable evidence that SBM's doctrine of eternal justification is false and his interpretation of 2 Cor. 5:19 is false.
He cannot possibly provide any rational reasonable response to Paul in Romans 4:7 that non-imputation occurred at the point of faith in Christ as verse 10 absolutely demands.
We have responded to 2 Cor. 5:19 and shown by the context that the "ministry of reconciliation" and the "word of reconciliation" refers to precisely the same point of justification by faith as in Romans 4:6-10.
We have responded that 2 Cor 5 refers to Christ ON THE CROSS which is the legal basis presented in the "word" or "Gospel" or "ministry of reconciliation" and it refers to the objective basis of the gospel rather than the APPLICATION by the Holy Spirit.
SBM can't respond. Cat has got his tongue because Paul "cooked his goose":laugh:
savedbymercy
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Christ by becoming Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, became Legally Responsible for the sins of the Elect, so God, when they sinned in time in adam, did not impute legally their sins against them. 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
As far as when the debt would be paid, was between God and Christ, the debt was His, not theirs ! They were Justified / forgiven by Non Imputation as pointed out here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man [or world 2 Cor 5:19] to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This blessedness has nothing to do with their faith, nor the work of the Spirit in time !
Thats why Eternal Justification is a Gospel Message 2 Cor 5:19 which you do not even believe, you preach another Gospel Gal 1:8-9
SMB's doctrine of eternal justification is condemned by Paul above. SBM's denial of "justified by faith" is condemned by Paul above.
Cat got your tongue Mr. Parrot?
savedbymercy
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The Elect Never were born legally charged with breaking God's Law, thats why God never imputed their trespasses against them, in a legal sense for condemnation.
Sin cannot be imputed were no law is broken, sin is transgression of God's Law.
1 Jn 3:14
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Notice Paul said
Rom 5: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Hence, the elect world was not charged with transgressing God's Law 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Rom 4:8
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This applies to all men for whom Christ died because He does not impute sin on any of them !
I defy anyone to prove this wrong with scripture !
Sin cannot be imputed were no law is broken, sin is transgression of God's Law.
1 Jn 3:14
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Notice Paul said
Rom 5: 13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Hence, the elect world was not charged with transgressing God's Law 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Rom 4:8
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
This applies to all men for whom Christ died because He does not impute sin on any of them !
I defy anyone to prove this wrong with scripture !
I have already disproven this thoroughly and what was your response? Not a word!
You are a good name caller. You are good with insults. But you are a very poor interpreter of scripture.
Romans 4:9-10 completely repudiates your interpretation of the time when non-imputation occurred in this context. Here are your problems and I list them:
1. Verse 9-10 deal with both with "when" and "how" imputation of righteousnes and non-imputation of sin occurred.
2. Verse 10 provides only TWO choices concerning "when" non-imputation occurred and they are - (1) in uncirumcision and (2) uncirucmision and both restrict its occurrence within the life time of Abraham.
3. Paul pinpoints the "when" to "in circumcision"
4. Hence, neither imputation of righteousness (v. 6) or non-imputation of sin (vv. 7-8) occurred before the world began or at the cross according to the context.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 ¶ Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
Paul just cooked your goose sir or are you going to call him a liar too?
savedbymercy
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Justification from Eternity !
God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.
1 Pet 1:20
20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
You have been completely unable to answer my exposition of Romans 4:7-8 and every reader on this forum knows it! None of these scriptures teach the absolute ANTI-Christ doctrine you are teaching!
savedbymercy
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The Non Imputation of sin unto the Elect World !
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
This scripture no doubt in my mind gives us to know that the Apostle Paul preached in his Gospel Eternal Justification based up the Covenant Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, Whereby God the Father in Covenant with Christ did agree not to impute the Trespasses of the Elect unto them, but that He would charge those trespasses unto Christ, Christ coming under obligation to be a sin offering for them 2 Cor 5:21 !
Now, The Non Imutation of sin unto the Elect World [Jew and Gentile Elect], though it was before time began, and before the actual death of Christ in time in 33 ad when He paid the debt He incurred before the World began because of Covenant Agreement, nevertheless the non imputation of the Elect's sins before the world began is the Fruit of Christ's Death, and that is why those who say Christ's Death is Worthless without or apart from the Covenant Work of the Spirit in time when He applies the Death, that is why they Blaspheme and are antichrist of the worst kind ! That is why also they preach a false Gospel, which Paul says this of Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
This scripture no doubt in my mind gives us to know that the Apostle Paul preached in his Gospel Eternal Justification based up the Covenant Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, Whereby God the Father in Covenant with Christ did agree not to impute the Trespasses of the Elect unto them, but that He would charge those trespasses unto Christ, Christ coming under obligation to be a sin offering for them 2 Cor 5:21 !
Now, The Non Imutation of sin unto the Elect World [Jew and Gentile Elect], though it was before time began, and before the actual death of Christ in time in 33 ad when He paid the debt He incurred before the World began because of Covenant Agreement, nevertheless the non imputation of the Elect's sins before the world began is the Fruit of Christ's Death, and that is why those who say Christ's Death is Worthless without or apart from the Covenant Work of the Spirit in time when He applies the Death, that is why they Blaspheme and are antichrist of the worst kind ! That is why also they preach a false Gospel, which Paul says this of Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.