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What is the Biblical argument for complete cessation of sign gifts?
"as for tongues, they will cease;."
Is this pretty much it? Or is there more? Or is it based also on 1900 years of observation more than biblical proof?
What is the Biblical argument for complete cessation of sign gifts?
"as for tongues, they will cease;."
Is this pretty much it? Or is there more? Or is it based also on 1900 years of observation more than biblical proof?
Can you show me in scripture where it says you can not speak in tongues unless you raise the dead?When those who speak in tongues [glossolalia] start raising the dead then perhaps they will have some basis for their beliefs.
I happen to be a "cessationalist" who believes the "sign and wonder" gifts were part of the foundation laid by Christ and the first century disciples.
So speaking in another language without being taught, the tongues gift, has ended. Certainly today we have people who are "gifted" in language skills and can quickly learn to understand and speak other languages. But that would not be a sign gift of the Holy Spirit.
The sign and wonder gifts, according to Cessationalists, were for the purpose of authenticating Christ and those presenting the gospel and writing the New Testament. But once that foundation had been laid, and the history of the miracles recorded, then the sign and wonder gifts ceased.
It is important to draw a distinction between cessation of gifts to authenticate the gospel, i.e. lay the foundation, and God's continuing intervention in the lives of men, responding to prayer and providing evidence of answered prayer.
To state the obvious, cessation is a corollary to scripture alone, if prophets today, authenticated with signs and wonders, were adding to the text, then we would not trust in scripture alone, but also in these men who speak the word of God.
Besides the principle of sticking with scripture plus nothing, rather than plus the insights of Popes or other Theologians, we have Ephesians 2:19-22 which teaches (from the Cessationalist viewpoint) that the foundation, authenticated with signs and wonders, has been built. Now we have Pastor/Teachers and Evangelists presenting what has already been authenticated.
What is the Biblical argument for complete cessation of sign gifts?
"as for tongues, they will cease;."
Is this pretty much it? Or is there more? Or is it based also on 1900 years of observation more than biblical proof?
But there are people that still need to be reached/saved. They still need to grow(perfected) in the faith. We have not attained to that yet.
Now abideth faith, hope and love, these three . . .
It is not stated that the ecstatic gifts and operations will abide. In fact, they are presented as peurile and transient.
That does not mean that there was a shutoff date in history, but there is a stage in the growth of the Gospel, and the establishment of the Word of God among a people when they are no longer needed. When I became a man, I put away childish things.
Can you show me in scripture where it says you can not speak in tongues unless you raise the dead?
The argument that the apostles' spiritual gifts were purely foundational (and therefore temporary) is not Scriptural.
Not all that spoke in tongues raised the dead! To say that they must raise the dead to prove they are ceased is a little watered down don't you think?The Apostles, at least some of them, were able to raise the dead and were able to speak in foreign language, not gibberish or "glossolalia". Are those who speak in gibberish or "glossolalia" today able to raise the dead or perform other miracles?
Tongues is in the Bible and mentioned often. Paul even calls it "praying in the spirit." in 1 Cor. 14.Can you show me in Scripture where glossolalia is practiced or endorsed?
Tongues is in the Bible and mentioned often. Paul even calls it "praying in the spirit." in 1 Cor. 14.
Not all that spoke in tongues raised the dead! To say that they must raise the dead to prove they are ceased is a little watered down don't you think?
When those who speak in tongues [glossolalia] start raising the dead then perhaps they will have some basis for their beliefs.
I agree! I have never said otherwise...Yes and they all mean:
1100 glwssa glossa gloce-sah'
KJV - tongue 50; 50
1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
2) a tongue
1a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations
No unknown tongues, no undecipherable gibberish.
I happen to be a "cessationalist" who believes the "sign and wonder" gifts were part of the foundation laid by Christ and the first century disciples.
So speaking in another language without being taught, the tongues gift, has ended. Certainly today we have people who are "gifted" in language skills and can quickly learn to understand and speak other languages. But that would not be a sign gift of the Holy Spirit.
The sign and wonder gifts, according to Cessationalists, were for the purpose of authenticating Christ and those presenting the gospel and writing the New Testament. But once that foundation had been laid, and the history of the miracles recorded, then the sign and wonder gifts ceased.
It is important to draw a distinction between cessation of gifts to authenticate the gospel, i.e. lay the foundation, and God's continuing intervention in the lives of men, responding to prayer and providing evidence of answered prayer.
To state the obvious, cessation is a corollary to scripture alone, if prophets today, authenticated with signs and wonders, were adding to the text, then we would not trust in scripture alone, but also in these men who speak the word of God.
Besides the principle of sticking with scripture plus nothing, rather than plus the insights of Popes or other Theologians, we have Ephesians 2:19-22 which teaches (from the Cessationalist viewpoint) that the foundation, authenticated with signs and wonders, has been built. Now we have Pastor/Teachers and Evangelists presenting what has already been authenticated.
When those who speak in tongues [glossolalia] start raising the dead then perhaps they will have some basis for their beliefs.
Now abideth faith, hope and love, these three . . .
It is not stated that the ecstatic gifts and operations will abide. In fact, they are presented as peurile and transient.
That does not mean that there was a shutoff date in history, but there is a stage in the growth of the Gospel, and the establishment of the Word of God among a people when they are no longer needed. When I became a man, I put away childish things.
The Apostles, at least some of them, were able to raise the dead and were able to speak in foreign language, not gibberish or "glossolalia". Are those who speak in gibberish or "glossolalia" today able to raise the dead or perform other miracles?
Are there no hymns in the Psalms?1. It is also not stated that hymns will abide...yet we keep singing them. Perhaps we should stop.
What are you describing when you say "knowledge?" What kind of knowledge are you talking about?It also says "knowledge will pass away". Has knowledge ceased?
Again, he is speaking of the church, not of himself or any individual. He didn't need tongues, the church needed it. His office was not an abiding office, but was needed by the infant church. A mother's breast is of full age, but one only needs it at a certain stage of infancy.2. 1 Cor. 13:11 is part of an argument that our knowledge of Christ will be fuller in the future, just like an adults ways are more mature than a child's. It does not seem to be making any direct reference to tongues speaking being a "childish thing" that must be put away by mature believers. Paul was very mature, and he said he was glad that he spoke in tongues.