Featured Unconditional Eternal Security of Once Saved, Always Saved

Jesus said the publican went down to his house justified, that means all his sins are forgiven. He went home a saved man.

What do you believe? Do you believe a man is justified and lost over and over again every time he sins? Every time he sins he repents and is justified again?

Have you ever sinned since you believed on Jesus? How many times did Adam and Eve have to sin to be lost?

 

Romans 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The Greek in this passage is very simple to translate. Believers are viewed as having already experienced being called, being justified, and being glorified (i.e. eternal life). The believer does not just possess the hope of eternal life, he possesses eternal life itself. Paul's writing of it in the past tense is proof positive.

 

Additionally, 2 Cor. 5:17 states that Christians are new creatures.

2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

An organic and spiritual change takes place when a sinner becomes a believer. That change is wrought by God. The thought that a sinner, who could not change his own spiritual disposition from sin towards God, can somehow change his new disposition (from God back to a state of unbelief), turns God into a capricious deity.

 

One of the meanings of eternal is perpetual, which means no stopping place. You could lose a timepiece, but God can not lose you. Jesus said we are in His hand, and He is in the Father's hand. We are kept by the power of God. Is there a greater power I don't know about to make us lost again? People aren't lost again, they were never saved to start with.

 

That is a pretty arrogant statement. Because people disagree with you they are not open to the Word of God and the Holy Spirit? Me thinks you started this thread with an agenda.

 

I read it, but, begging your pardon, you are wrong. If someone walks away from the belief of God, then they are apostate and never saved. If you have a correct understanding of Hebrews 6, you will understand that people act saved but really aren't. Take Judas, for example.

 

BW,

Welcome to BB. Hope you stay around for awhile and interact about the scriptures. It does not appear that you have clarity about what is involved in salvation ,and sanctification. You are focused on what you have been taught men "NEED " to do...more than what God has done in Christ.
Thank you for offering many fine verses however....that is a good starting point and progress can be made if we look to the scriptures and the God who gave them.:thumbsup::love2:

 

Perhaps if you are able to refute the following Scripture that I have posted on two previous occasions you might make a more convincing argument.

 

Brother Wayne, one of the things that I believe you must confront if you are going to hold to a doctrine which allows for a saved person to lose his salvation is that the losing of it would be of such a finality that it would be impossible to get it back:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 6:4-6 For it is impossible...If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame.

What do you do then with the person who has lost his salvation in rebellion but then seeing the error of his ways returns in sorrow and repentance looking to be saved again. According to Hebrews 6 and 10 he is without hope.

Secondly, if you can lose your salvation through acts of sin, then define which acts of sin are the clinchers. Which acts do finally wipe out the grace of God? This becomes an impossible question to answer especially when you understand how significant an abomination the smallest of sins are. All sin is an assault on the holiness of God and all sin is tantamount to abject idolatry. God hates all sin with a holy wrath. He poured that wrath out on Jesus Christ and the sin covered by his atoning blood is total and complete. An important point in the doctrine of justification is that we are not just made righteous but we are declared righteous. So we are made not like Adam who could sin but by the declaration and imputation of Christ's righteousness we are made perfect who are not perfect. By suggesting that you can lose your salvation you are suggesting that the atonement covered a subset of your sin. In which case even while saved your atonement was ineffective and incomplete.

Finally, if you suggest that a loss of faith is how one might lose his salvation then upon the supposition that that is possible I would agree with you. However, where your theology falls is in thinking that your faith is the fallible product of an imperfect and all too human heart when it is instead a gift of grace imparted and sustained by grace.

Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. Who is he that condmeneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written, for thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. Nay, in these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angles, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Phil 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:


This is not to say that the doctrine of eternal security should provide any comfort to the man wallowing in the mire of sin. A life of sin should cause one who believes he is saved to question whether he truly is. "Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid" If you are not constantly grieved by the sin in your life you should be worried. There is no comfort for your sin in a doctrine of eternal security.

The comfort is for the child of God living by faith. Struggling with sin perhaps but resting in the full assurance of the grace of God.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith

The "author" in this verse is archegos and it means leader in, originator of, and I think you might even find in it the idea of a surety. teleiotes, finisher, is the completor and perfector. This verse profoundly declares is our faith from beginning to end, from origin to perfection; this verse speaks of eternal security.

 

2 Timothy 2:
10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.

11 Here is a trustworthy saying:

If we died with him,
we will also live with him;
12 if we endure,
we will also reign with him.
If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
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14 Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 16 Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.

1 John 2:
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.[Some manuscripts and you know all things] 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

24 As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him.


We should never doubt God that He will do what He said He will do, even if we are faithless in our self we remain in Jesus and encourage others to remain in Him.

A non-believers does not care about eternal security only those who believe and they should not doubt in God, unless there is something mentally wrong with that person and we are still to encourage them to remain in Christ. The only ones who care about the security of a non-believer is a love one who wants to see them saved but still the unbeliever doesn't care about eternal security.

Hebrews 3
12 See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

I pray we are lead by the scriptures and not the words of men and their feelings.

 

Salvation is not lost by committing acts of sin but by willfully rejecting the Savior that the person once willfully accepted.

 

for this to occur:

Christ must cease his constant intercession
the declaration of righteousness (justification) must be revoked
the atoning blood applied must be unapplied
grace must be revoked
the separation of sanctification must be undone
propitiation must be undone turning God's wrath back upon you
The place prepared for you in Jn 14 I supposed must be demolished
Christ's righteousness unimputed
election declared invalid
God's foreknowledge modified and improved upon
the redemption price returned
you must be dereconciled
you must then be unregenerated
and forgiveness revoked.

Look at all that Christ did that must be undone to lose your salvation. No, I think he did far too much by grace to revoke it by your weakness. You were unworthy of it from the get go, your belief did not make you worthy... grace is grace.

 

I do not think that they were in Him in the first place after coming to the knowledge of the truth, knowing what Christ did for them and just walk away? Could it be a seed that trials and tribulations just choked out?

1 John 2:
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

 

Sadly too many have a false faith and a false security. If your faith is in a man other the the Lord Jesus, if you trust is in your church, a prayer, a priest, a good feeling, a particular day, if your faith is in your faith, or an ecstatic experience, or anything save the Lord Jesus Christ and his atoning work on the cross for your sins upon which you cling for refuge, mercy and grace then I think you need to turn your eyes upon Jesus, look to the lamb of God, put your trust in him and be saved. But, if your faith is in Jesus, then your salvation is steadfast and sure, not by your power, but by His.

 

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