Billy Graham Organization's Hypocrisy

[Zaac]

Billy Graham has a long history of theological compromise, so this is not surprising at all.

It's a shame because he's been a stalwart for the faith with some stupid decisions mixed in. But folks remember the stupid stuff.

 

[Salty]

You don't even know what you're talking about.

First - your statement has told me much about you.

Second, since your profile does not indicate you as a Baptist, you are breaking the rules. Actually, it is rule # 1

Third, this is the last post of yours I will respond to in the Baptist Only section

 

[Dr. Bob]

Are you looking at his profile?? It shows him both a Baptist and the church he is a member of, Salty. You are out of line.

Feel free not to answer him. Your call. But he has 100% the right to post here.

 

[jonathan.borland]

Are you looking at his profile?? It shows him both a Baptist and the church he is a member of, Salty. You are out of line.

Feel free not to answer him. Your call. But he has 100% the right to post here.

That info must be available to Mods and Admins but it is not available to members, probably due to his security preferences, which are within his right to make strict.

BTW, the OP makes a good point. There is obviously a connection. Billy Graham's org should not compromise its stance on Mormanism and should continue to call it a cult. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with leaders of ministries voicing their personal support for one candidate or another, since this is different than an organization taking an official stance. Billy Graham could state something like, "Although I believe the LDS church is a religion theologically removed from the core tenets of Protestant Christianity but has certain moral teachings derivative of it, my personal conviction is that Mr. Romney is the best moral choice between the two candidates, and I plan to vote for him."

 

[Mexdeaf]

well if there is ONE and he stumbles into hell because he starts adhering to Mormonism, is that one enough for ya?

No one "stumbles into" hell, just as no one "stumbles into" heaven. You need to spend more time studying soteriology and less time ranting against Romney.

 

[Salty]

Are you looking at his profile?? It shows him both a Baptist and the church he is a member of, Salty. You are out of line.

Yes I did - thus the statement. His profile is still empty (to non-moderators)

request change of rules: profile must show denomination must be show to post in Baptist only section

 

[Arbo]

Yes I did - thus the statement. His profile is still empty (to non-moderators)

request change of rules: profile must show denomination must be show to post in Baptist only section

Wouldn't it be better to simply ask someone if they are Baptist rather than appearing grouchy by assuming and accusing them?

 

[blackbird]

***Moderator note: ZAAC's denominational profile is seen in the Moderator's screen as member of FBC Woodstock***


We need to ask Administrators for a change in how profiles can be viewed by all viewers

 

[saturneptune]

Me thinks you're intelligent enough to figure it out just like I'm capable of knowing when folks are playing dumb with ulterior motives.:thumbsup:

That is just too much.

 

[saturneptune]

But folks remember the stupid stuff.

From your post #1 to present day.

 

[Zaac]

***Moderator note: ZAAC's denominational profile is seen in the Moderator's screen as member of FBC Woodstock***


We need to ask Administrators for a change in how profiles can be viewed by all viewers

Why is it that the same group of people who don't like me saying anything non-flattering about their candidate of choice are allowed to go from thread to thread constantly berating and making the threads about me instead of the topic of the OP?

I'm just saying because the stuff that just happened in this thread is what the same people do in every thread and then the thread gets closed for being off topic.

 

[annsni]

Wouldn't it be better to simply ask someone if they are Baptist rather than appearing grouchy by assuming and accusing them?

If they would answer the question without being rude and saying that it is none of their business and to stay on topic or else their post will be reported and deleted by a moderator.

 

[Zaac]

If they would answer the question without being rude and saying that it is none of their business and to stay on topic or else their post will be reported and deleted by a moderator.

Or perhaps some folks need to stop being rude in making demands behind the veiled threat of getting folks removed from certain sections based upon what they don't know.

As I said, some have a very bad habit of making the threads about me instead of what the original topic is. And do the same thing from thread to thread.

If it's personal information that I want you to know, I'll tell you based upon the perceived motive in a PM.

Otherwise, stick to the topic and not me.

 

[InTheLight]

well if there is ONE and he stumbles into hell because he starts adhering to Mormonism, is that one enough for ya?

People don't need to become Mormons to "stumble into Hell". They are already on their way there from birth.

 

[Zaac]

That info must be available to Mods and Admins but it is not available to members, probably due to his security preferences, which are within his right to make strict.

BTW, the OP makes a good point. There is obviously a connection. Billy Graham's org should not compromise its stance on Mormanism and should continue to call it a cult. At the same time, there is nothing wrong with leaders of ministries voicing their personal support for one candidate or another, since this is different than an organization taking an official stance. Billy Graham could state something like, "Although I believe the LDS church is a religion theologically removed from the core tenets of Protestant Christianity but has certain moral teachings derivative of it, my personal conviction is that Mr. Romney is the best moral choice between the two candidates, and I plan to vote for him."

And I could see things being done this way if the person truly felt the issue was morality. But the way that it was done seems to point , possibly, to it being about politics.

I mean how do you risk authoring confusion about people's possible eternity over something like this? It completely breaks my heart to see the Church at this point where we seemingly don't even care about the fallout of potential souls going to hell ( if we are even thinking about it) all for the sake of getting what we want.

There is something VERY wrong.

 

[Zaac]

People don't need to become Mormons to "stumble into Hell".

No one said that they did. But if the lies of Mormonism interferes with them receiving the truth, why author confusion about it's truthfulness or cult status?

If one of the top Christian evangelists perhaps of all times...if his organization doesn't see anything wrong with it anymore, then maybe it's okay to be a Mormon?

Is it not enough that one person may believe that and reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the result?

They are already on their way there from birth.

So why author confusion about something that could keep them there if they chase after it instead of God's truth?

 

[InTheLight]

As I said, some have a very bad habit of making the threads about me instead of what the original topic is. And do the same thing from thread to thread.

The reason why that happens, Zaac, is because you constantly make remarks like "you're not getting your discernment from God" or "you people are on a self-righteous kick if you think Romney is going to save the country" or "so support an anti-Christ candidate and then pretend that it's a display of love for God" or "Folks are more passionate about winning an election than they are about Christ."

In fact, it is you that quite often make threads about others and then you turn around and complain when others take offense.

Now, back to the topic at hand. I think it was wrong for BGEA to take down the web page listing Mormonism as a cult. Billy Graham should probably have turned down Romney's request to meet with him and stayed out of the election. Will it hurt BG's legacy? I don't think so. His legacy was established years ago and this incident won't harm him. Will his hypocrisy be a stumbling block for the lost? Supposing lost people hear about the removed web page I don't think it will cause them to change their mind about Billy Graham, about Mormonism, or about Mitt Romney.

 

[InTheLight]

No one said that they did. But if the lies of Mormonism interferes with them receiving the truth, why author confusion about it's truthfulness or cult status?

God can overcome the lies of Mormonism and draw people to his grace.

If one of the top Christian evangelists perhaps of all times...if his organization doesn't see anything wrong with it anymore, then maybe it's okay to be a Mormon?

It is a problem, I agree.

Is it not enough that one person may believe that and reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ as the result?

People are spiritually blinded to begin with. They are already rejecting the Gospel of Christ. Still, I concede your point that if a lost person becomes a Mormon, they will be indoctrinated into a cult that *could* make it more difficult for them to come to salvation.

So why author confusion about something that could keep them there if they chase after it instead of God's truth?

I agree.

 

[Zaac]

The reason why that happens, Zaac, is because you constantly make remarks like "you're not getting your discernment from God"

And when people are making comments about ME that they believe to be true and I know it is not, then I have every right to say that the discernment is not from God. And the same people do it CONSISTENTLY and then try to justify it.

or "you people are on a self-righteous kick if you think Romney is going to save the country"

I don't think I've called anyone self-righteous. I've certainly been called self-righteous.

or "so support an anti-Christ candidate and then pretend that it's a display of love for God" or "Folks are more passionate about winning an election than they are about Christ."

True statements that do not address any specific person.

In fact, it is you that quite often make threads about others and then you turn around and complain when others take offense.

My threads generalize and don't point out any specific person on this board. Yet every response from you and others toward my threads seems to make a beeline right back to me personally with some sort of personal dig.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

:applause::applause:

I think it was wrong for BGEA to take down the web page listing Mormonism as a cult. Billy Graham should probably have turned down Romney's request to meet with him and stayed out of the election.

I don't even think he should have turned down the request. He meets with everyone and always has. He's just never openly taken sides, and probably for good reason.

But to take sides and then seemingly compromise on something like this almost gives the picture that something else is going on.

Will it hurt BG's legacy? I don't think so. His legacy was established years ago and this incident won't harm him.

I don't know. This was rather foul.

Will his hypocrisy be a stumbling block for the lost? Supposing lost people hear about the removed web page I don't think it will cause them to change their mind about Billy Graham, about Mormonism, or about Mitt Romney.

Again, if it's just one person, isn't that one too many over something he and his organization had been very clear in their teaching about for decades?

How and why do you do something like that when possibly somebody's eternity might be affected by it?

I keep hearing "Obedience is better than sacrifice". And there seems to be an immeasurable amount of folks thinking their sacrifice is better than obedience.

 

[annsni]

Or perhaps some folks need to stop being rude in making demands behind the veiled threat of getting folks removed from certain sections based upon what they don't know.

As I said, some have a very bad habit of making the threads about me instead of what the original topic is. And do the same thing from thread to thread.

If it's personal information that I want you to know, I'll tell you based upon the perceived motif in a PM.

Otherwise, stick to the topic and not me.

So you post in a Baptist only area of the board but will not post "Yes, I am Baptist" in public? Why is that?