Is God the Author of Evil?

[savedbymercy]

ts

That is a heafty accusation!

Then where is the verse ?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



Then where is the verse ?

Look at my previous post. Do you see scripture verses posted by me to support my view? I posted 3. Do you not read? Would you like to re-consider your accusation?

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

Look at my previous post

I have, I did not see any verse stating this:

God doesn't create evil.

Now I have provided one that states this Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



I have, I did not see any verse stating this:



Now I have provided one that states this Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

You are being ridiculous because you want to accept a imperfect translation for the word Ra' in the context of Isaiah you build a whole faulty theology propegating an error. And My verses don't have to say God didn't create evil it is enough to say he doesn't sin which they do say. God cannot create evil then be considered not to sin. You are very very wrong in your hypothesis. Do you believe that the sky is made out of metal? After all in Genesis it says

God made the firmament

The word firmament is translated from the hebrew word raqiya` which means a solid extended surface which is litterally translated "making a dish by hammering thin a lump of metal". So using your same approach to the word evil you must also believe the sky is a solid metal dome.

If you don't believe that why don't you? Thats what the bible says.

 

[The Biblicist]

You are being ridiculous because you want to accept a imperfect translation for the word Ra' in the context of Isaiah you build a whole faulty theology propegating an error. And My verses don't have to say God didn't create evil it is enough to say he doesn't sin which they do say. God cannot create evil then be considered not to sin. You are very very wrong in your hypothesis. Do you believe that the sky is made out of metal? After all in Genesis it says The word firmament is translated from the hebrew word raqiya` which means a solid extended surface which is litterally translated "making a dish by hammering thin a lump of metal". So using your same approach to the word evil you must also believe the sky is a solid metal dome.

If you don't believe that why don't you? Thats what the bible says.

SBM has a "seared conscience" as in 1 Tim. 4:1-2 and to argue with him is a complete waste of time. He is simply a dishonest person and willfully so.

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

You are being ridiculous because you want to accept a imperfect translation for the word Ra' in the context of Isaiah you build a whole faulty theology propegating an error.

You just reject Truth. You still have not showed one verse that states what you have falsely stated:

God doesn't create evil.

You have no scripture support for your falsehood. Now here is my scripture support Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

God Created all Evil, it all works for His Purpose !

Job recognized that ! Job 2:10

But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job here was speaking of the evil of the men that stole from him and murdered his servants !

This was moral and ethical evil by these mean men Job 1:14-15

14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:

15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Sure, it was the sabeans that did the evil, however it was God that caused it, and Job being the God Fearing Man that he was, seen beyond the secondary causes, the sabeans and attributed the moral evil of theirs towards him as coming from the Hand of God !

Only True God Fearers understand this !

This very story of Job is one of the reasons why God Created Evil, moral Evil in His World !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

So you believe God made a metal dome over the earth? You must if you believe God creates sin, immorality and evil in that sense rather than calamity.

 

[savedbymercy]

So you believe God made a metal dome over the earth? You must if you believe God creates sin, immorality and evil in that sense rather than calamity.

This is What I believe:

Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: the Lord do all these things.

God Created all Evil, it all works for His Purpose !

Job recognized that ! Job 2:10

But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job here was speaking of the evil of the men that stole from him and murdered his servants !

This was moral and ethical evil by these mean men Job 1:14-15

14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:

15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Sure, it was the sabeans that did the evil, however it was God that caused it, and Job being the God Fearing Man that he was, seen beyond the secondary causes, the sabeans and attributed the moral evil of theirs towards him as coming from the Hand of God !

Only True God Fearers understand this !

This very story of Job is one of the reasons why God Created Evil, moral Evil in His World !

 

[Thinkingstuff]

This is What I believe:

Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: the Lord do all these things.

God Created all Evil, it all works for His Purpose !

Job recognized that ! Job 2:10

But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

Job here was speaking of the evil of the men that stole from him and murdered his servants !

This was moral and ethical evil by these mean men Job 1:14-15

14 And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them:

15 And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.

Sure, it was the sabeans that did the evil, however it was God that caused it, and Job being the God Fearing Man that he was, seen beyond the secondary causes, the sabeans and attributed the moral evil of theirs towards him as coming from the Hand of God !

Only True God Fearers understand this !

This very story of Job is one of the reasons why God Created Evil, moral Evil in His World !

all you've shown is the different ways the word "evil" can be used in the bible. It doesn't prove that every way the word "evil" can be defined is always meant in all passages. Evil in the passage of Isaiah is specific to calamity not to morality. You still haven't answered the question do you believe God made a metal dome over the earth?

 

[billwald]

Truman admitted "the buck" stopped with him. Some of you saying "the buck" doesn't stop with God?

Why do you hold Obama to higher standards than you hold God?

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

all you've shown is the different ways the word "evil" can be used in the bible

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I know what I have done. However you have failed to show the veracity of the false statement you made :

God doesn't create evil.

Scripture, the Word of God says Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts

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I know what I have done. However you have failed to show the veracity of the false statement you made :



Scripture, the Word of God says Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

God doesn't create evil in the sense of Morality. He creates evil in the sense of calamity. If you can't understand the difference then you can't understand what it is you read. I hold to my statement God doesn't create evil. The scripture you use which says he does only suggest he creates calamity. because the word evil is used doesn't imply its moral use. Therefore your endless quoting of the same verse in not only taking it out of context but also misleading to the point that your same argument argues for a metal dome above the earth. But you fail to understand tranlating words from its hebrew and contextual analysis. So all you will do is repeat again and again and make God out to be evil and you would be wrong. And since you don't want to understand because you want have an evil God. I will leave the readers with the most anti-catholic website posting about this subject matter of God creating evil

Is God really the one who created evil? To answer the question we must first look at how the word for evil, "rah," is used in the Bible, examine the context of the Isaiah 45:7 passage, and look at other passages on the same subject.

First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble." So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as "evil." This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as "calamity" by the NASB and NKJV; "disaster" by the NIV; and "woe" by the RSV.

Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. - CARM

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

God doesn't create evil in the sense of Morality.

What verse says that ? Please provide the verse that states:

God doesn't create evil in the sense of Morality

Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts



What verse says that ? Please provide the verse that states:



Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

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the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures

 

[Thinkingstuff]

ts

What verse says that ? Please provide the verse that states:

God doesn't create evil in the sense of Morality

it is right here: "15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin"

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

It does not matter, the word God used there is ra, and the word means more than natural disaters, the context is merely an opportunity for God to tell us that He Creates Evil !

We have no right to limit evil to natural disasters as we do to limit peace to national peace. God Creates all Peace, that is taught there to.

Moral Evil finds it source in mans flesh:

Gal 5:9

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Who Created mans evil flesh ? Satan did not, for he cannot create.

All your rationalizations are meaningless, The Word of Truth stands Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

It does matter: "15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin"

 

[billwald]

You all hold Obama to a higher standard than you hold God?

 

[savedbymercy]

ts

It does matter

No it does not. Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[The Biblicist]

ts



No it does not. Isa 45:7

7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

If the clean thing (sinlessness) cannot originate from an unclean (sinful) source than how can the unclean (sin) originate from a clean (holy God) source without at the very same time also first defiling that source?

James 1:13 ¶ Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

God is not the source of temptation to sin (v. 13) and neither is God the source of sin (v. 17) and James is explicitly defining where the source of sin originates and where it does not originate. DO NOT ERR is his warning and you have erred.

God does regulate evil consequences (Psa. 76:10; Isa. 45:7) and in that sense is the immediate source in direct contact with his creatures but He is not the ultimate cause of evil. Instead he "works all things" ultimately for good:

Ge 50:20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.


Ps 76:10 Surely the wrath of man shall praise thee: the remainder of wrath shalt thou restrain.

Why restrain the "remainder of wrath" if God is the source of it? Wouldn't that be God ordaining evil that he never designed to allow?????