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No, it is adding to God's word!It is not a theory. It is the teaching of the Word of God; something you continue to reject, though many others on different forums have patiently explained to you.
Again..adding your theory to the Word without scipture proof!No, it is one of many "signs," all of which have been fulfilled. When a stop sign is temporarily place because of a road closure, the sign is removed when the road is "completed." The sign is no longer needed and has been taken out of the way; the way has been completed (the Word).
I just reject your theory or interpretationof what it says!I have harmonized all the Scripture for you; you simply reject it and throw in your own opinions which go against the Scriptures.
I just do not say he can not do what he says he can do..and still does!God limits himself.
He limits himself according to his own nature; that is, he cannot lie for example.
He limits himself according to his own word. He will not go contrary to what he has said in his word. But you want him to do so.
No, sorry... NOONE has shown in scriptures where tongues are to evangalize..they have added there own interpretation without letting scriptures interprete scriptures.So many people have disproved you on this point. But you will not listen. Nowhere in Scripture does it teach that there it does teach that tongues is to be used as a selfish prayer language. It isn't there. There was only one kind of tongues. Tongues are a language, previously unknown to the one speaking but known to the ones hearing. You don't have that gift.
I don't know where you got the idea that I said the Bible is God. I never said that. The Bible is under no threat at all. It has been under attack for ages. It has withstood the attacks of the devil throughout these many centuries and it will continue to do so. God is faithful to His promises. The Bible means much, even without the Holy Spirit. It is still God's revelation to mankind. It is the Holy Spirit that illuminates the mind of the believer. It is the Holy Spirit that convicts the sinner of righteousness, sin and of judgment.The Bible is not God - the Bible is under threat and God will maintain it that is He will maintain something apart from Him
It sounds like a false accusation or you have been confused by a cultist. Where are you getting these ideas and why post them here?God is Triune not 4parts
I was saved through the Bible alone. Does that answer your question. Or will you call into question my salvation now? Certainly the Holy Spirit was there to convict of sin, but that is about all. The person that gave understanding was the one with the Bible, explaining it to me.So answer me this - with the Bible alone can man be saved?
You are wrong. It is the word that is alive and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword. It is the power of God unto salvation. The Holy Spirit uses the Word. You have things backwards.my answer is no - because without the call of the Spirit the Bible appears to be foolish to man
God's revelation to us teaches us all that God intends us to know about him. It is his perfect and complete revelation of himself to us. We do not need anything more for this present time than what is contained in the Word of God.the revelation of Scripture can NEVER fully teach us about God -
The Bible describes itself or the Scriptures as a mirror many times. Our image doesn't reflect so clearly, usually because of our sin.not because it is imperfect but because we are - when that which is perfect is come we will know Him - not as throught a mirror darkly but face to face that mirror is the Scripture reflecting Gods glory to us
Unless you can find me a person that is doing healing on a scale like Peter was in Acts 5:16 I will consider the gift of healing as closed; ceased. No one has that gift today. God healed in the OT, and he heals in the NT. He heals in answer to prayer. That is not "the gift of healing."the gift of healing is still God doing the healing - what was Pentecost?
God doesn't seal a church or the church, and the gifts have ceased. I have not seen a single demonstration of a Biblical sign gift in this century, by anyone.the sealing of the church with the Holy Spirit - the Holy Spirit remains the gifts remain.
What language was it? Did you need an interpreter? If so why? Who were you talking to or preaching to? IOW, what was the purpose or occasion of this experience? It must have had a very important purpose. Was it in a language you had previously studied? How do you it was either accurately spoken or accurately interpreted?I dont claim to know the whole world - but i spake in tongues - that is a gift you claim has ceased - it has not because I PERSONALLY experienced it - if tongues has not ceased then nothing else has
It was very active with Jesus. That was part of his ministry. He went around healing people. Read the gospels. It was then a gift of the apostles. He sent them out with that gift as part of their ministry. As time passed on that gift was used less and less, as were all the sign gifts, until they all passed right out of existence by the end of the first century.- the gift of healing is not always active Peter did not run around every day healing every day - otherwise sickness and death would not have been around - and the historians of the Roman Empire would not have thought Israel a disease ridden pesthole
Apostolic and Church Age have the same beginning.the ages of the church have always been ushered in and/or ended by something dramatic - what was the thing that ended the Apostolic era and began the Church Age
See how you have twisted what has been said, and avoided answering the post. Try it again.No, sorry... NOONE has shown in scriptures where tongues are to evangalize..they have added there own interpretation without letting scriptures interprete scriptures.
Yes, the Bible does say it is speaking to God...speaking to God is prayer!See how you have twisted what has been said, and avoided answering the post. Try it again.
No where does the Scripture teach that tongues is a private prayer language. That is not taught in Scripture anywhere. (Address the point this time). In fact to prove your point you have to take a wrecking ball to the Scriptures. You take a rebuke given to the Corinthians, and then turn it on its side and say: there, see: "Paul is positively teaching tongues are to be used for private prayer."
You use a negative as a positive. It is totally irresponsible.
You do not rightly divide the word of truth.
Prove through the Scriptures, a proper use of the Scriptures, that there is any such thing as a private prayer language. Lay down a logical Scriptural argument for all to see.Yes, the Bible does say it is speaking to God...speaking to God is prayer!
I have in every thread!Prove through the Scriptures, a proper use of the Scriptures, that there is any such thing as a private prayer language. Lay down a logical Scriptural argument for all to see.
No you haven't. You have answered people's objections. You have taken one verse out of 1Cor.14, turned it on its side, put it upside down, and then tried to turn it inside out. You tried to take a positive from a negative; tried to prove from a rebuke and condemnation that something was good.I have in every thread!
Start another thread..about prayer language and I will! I will have nothing new...because like I said..I have posted WITH SCRIPTURES why I believe tongues is talking to God. This is about Heb. 2:3 and if it proves the gifts have ceased! It does not prove the gifts have ceased!No you haven't. You have answered people's objections. You have taken one verse out of 1Cor.14, turned it on its side, put it upside down, and then tried to turn it inside out. You tried to take a positive from a negative; tried to prove from a rebuke and condemnation that something was good.
But all in all you haven't laid down a cogent defense for your case. If you really believe you have a case for "a private prayer language" then let's see it. Lay it out, both logically and Scripturally for all to see. Give a defense for your faith.
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? You can't separate the two verses. Both must be taken together. The "gifts of the Holy Ghost" are mentioned in verse four. They confirmed the authenticity of the apostles. It was the apostles that performed them--signs and wonders, with divers miracles, and gift of the Holy Spirit. The message of salvation was confirmed by those who witnessed the Lord, and did these things, that is the apostles. That was their purpose--to authenticate them. Now we have no more apostles, we have no more gifts. There is no need of them. They died with the apostles. What you have now is a cheap imitation of what was genuine in the first century; but clearly not Biblical. The most commonly abused gift was and is tongues. So yes I can talk of that now. Your refusal to mount any kind of defense concerning this gift (whether private or public) is a tacit admission that: 1. You don't have a Biblical defense. 2. You know it is not Biblical. There is only one "tongues" or gift of tongues, and that is public. It is speaking in another language, a language that others could understand. Even in prayer, the prayer was public, out loud, so that others would know when to say "Amen." It was never private; never! That is not in Scripture. There is only one kind of tongues; one gift--the gift of languages to be used for the edification of others--not a selfish prayer language. Never is it used that way. It is one of the gifts, one of the ones the apostles had, and by the time the apostles were dead, it was dead as well. What started in 1905 was derived from paganism, not from the Spirit of God.Start another thread..about prayer language and I will! I will have nothing new...because like I said..I have posted WITH SCRIPTURES why I believe tongues is talking to God. This is about Heb. 2:3 and if it proves the gifts have ceased! It does not prove the gifts have ceased!
The manifestation of the Holy Spirit have not ceased and Heb. does not say it has! Period!!Hebrews 2:3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him; 4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? You can't separate the two verses. Both must be taken together. The "gifts of the Holy Ghost" are mentioned in verse four. They confirmed the authenticity of the apostles. It was the apostles that performed them--signs and wonders, with divers miracles, and gift of the Holy Spirit. The message of salvation was confirmed by those who witnessed the Lord, and did these things, that is the apostles. That was their purpose--to authenticate them. Now we have no more apostles, we have no more gifts. There is no need of them. They died with the apostles. What you have now is a cheap imitation of what was genuine in the first century; but clearly not Biblical. The most commonly abused gift was and is tongues. So yes I can talk of that now. Your refusal to mount any kind of defense concerning this gift (whether private or public) is a tacit admission that: 1. You don't have a Biblical defense. 2. You know it is not Biblical. There is only one "tongues" or gift of tongues, and that is public. It is speaking in another language, a language that others could understand. Even in prayer, the prayer was public, out loud, so that others would know when to say "Amen." It was never private; never! That is not in Scripture. There is only one kind of tongues; one gift--the gift of languages to be used for the edification of others--not a selfish prayer language. Never is it used that way. It is one of the gifts, one of the ones the apostles had, and by the time the apostles were dead, it was dead as well. What started in 1905 was derived from paganism, not from the Spirit of God.
In both passages (2Cor.12:12 and Heb.2:3,4) the gifts of the Spirit, as an entire package, were given to the Apostles. That is not true of other believers. In fact the opposite is true. Paul explicitly taught in 1Cor.12:28ff, that the members of the church only had one or two gifts each. They were to be satisfied with the gift that God gave them, and use it. They were not to desire others.The manifestation of the Holy Spirit have not ceased and Heb. does not say it has! Period!!
I have never said that those signs did not follow the apostles. But you limit the HOly Spirit just to manifest through the apostles. The Scriptures do not limit them to JUST the aposltes.