From Al Mohler's Blog: Lessons from the 2012 Election

[Jack Matthews]

The fault is in a gluttonous and idolatrous electorate.

The fault is in a gluttonous and idolatrous humanity.

"Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom their is no salvation," says Psalm 146:3 (ESV).

The ballot box is not going to resolve the morality problem of Americans, nor will it bring revival. And if you think a party platform or a political position that comes through lips means anything, guess again. There are just as many sinful positions, according to Biblical standards, in the Republican platform as there is in that of the Democrats. This is a fallen world, and when we place our trust in the political system, it will fail.

The question I have, looking at the way things are, is "Where is the church?" Where are the people of God? If you want to solve the abortion issue, and end abortion on demand, then get off your moral high horse and start winning young women to Christ, discipling them so that they won't get pregnant out of wedlock, and so that they are willing to step forward and care for those who have made mistakes. Stop arguing about eternal security, and convincing yourself that your church is the only right church and start winning people to Jesus. The church is the only body capable of bringing about change, and if it moves forward in the power of God, it can't be stopped.

But it is more comfortable to retreat, and to backbite and criticize other Christians for not doing church the way you do.

I'll stop here.

 

[Priscilla Ann]

The fault is in a gluttonous and idolatrous humanity.

"Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom their is no salvation," says Psalm 146:3 (ESV).

The ballot box is not going to resolve the morality problem of Americans, nor will it bring revival. And if you think a party platform or a political position that comes through lips means anything, guess again. There are just as many sinful positions, according to Biblical standards, in the Republican platform as there is in that of the Democrats. This is a fallen world, and when we place our trust in the political system, it will fail.

The question I have, looking at the way things are, is "Where is the church?" Where are the people of God? If you want to solve the abortion issue, and end abortion on demand, then get off your moral high horse and start winning young women to Christ, discipling them so that they won't get pregnant out of wedlock, and so that they are willing to step forward and care for those who have made mistakes. Stop arguing about eternal security, and convincing yourself that your church is the only right church and start winning people to Jesus. The church is the only body capable of bringing about change, and if it moves forward in the power of God, it can't be stopped.

But it is more comfortable to retreat, and to backbite and criticize other Christians for not doing church the way you do.

I'll stop here.

Excellent post. Thank you!:thumbs:

 

[preachinjesus]

Well this shows me that you just can't say anything to hysterical people.

 

[OldRegular]

The fault is in a gluttonous and idolatrous humanity.

"Put not your trust in princes, in a son of man, in whom their is no salvation," says Psalm 146:3 (ESV).

The ballot box is not going to resolve the morality problem of Americans, nor will it bring revival. And if you think a party platform or a political position that comes through lips means anything, guess again. There are just as many sinful positions, according to Biblical standards, in the Republican platform as there is in that of the Democrats. This is a fallen world, and when we place our trust in the political system, it will fail.

There is nothing in the Republican platform that can compare with the democrat celebration of abortion; that is unless you believe it is okay to slaughter unborn children!

 

[OldRegular]

Well, Jack Matthews, this is one time I agree with you. I quit giving to the Pro-Life groups a long time ago when I realized that during the GW Bush tenure during the several years when there was a Republican WH, and Republican majority Senate, and Republican majority House, the abortion issue could have been settled by Law. (Much as obamacare was passed to be the law of the land.) Every time the GOP calls me about donating and brings up the abortion issue, I remind them of these facts.

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It would take 60 votes in the Senate to pass major legislation restricting abortion. The most that the Republicans controlled during the Bush years was 55! So you see Lady Eagle the abortion issue could not have been settled by law.

 

[Revmitchell]

A ban on partial birth abortion, which essentially did nothing, was not the goal. That was a bone thrown to quiet the dogs, and it wasn't much of a bone. Ronald Reagan originally promised to end abortion on demand. Reagan had promised "to appoint only those opposed to abortion and the 'judicial activism' of the Warren and Burger Courts". Those were his exact words. However, though his appointees alone could have tipped the court, his first appointee, Sandra Day O"Conner, was neither pro-life, nor anti-activist. As it turned out, she was the perpetual "swing vote." The argument about Robert Bork not being confirmed does not hold water. Congress eventually approved Anthony Kennedy, who had a stronger pro-life record than Bork did. If he'd stuck with his promise, and nominated someone other than O'Connor, the court would have overturned Roe before he left office.

His successor, George H.W. Bush, was only "pro-life" to get elected. He nominated David Souter, who is one of the most liberal justices on the court, and not only pro-choice. Fearing Christians would not support his bid for re-election, he appointed Clarence Thomas, but that only put the court back to 5-4, pro-choice.

The best chance to tip the balance came with George W. Bush. He had two shots at it, and a majority of both houses of Congress controlled by his party for six years. Shouldn't have been a problem. But Bush first went with John Roberts, who declared Roe v. Wade to be "the settled law of the land," and then attempted to appoint his White House counsel, Harriet Miers, who was favorable to both abortion on demand and gay marriage. Fortunately, conservatives derailed her appointment, and he wound up appointing Alito, but with Roberts as the "swing voter," after three GOP presidents, the Supreme Court is still 5-4 pro-abortion. I think that's because the Republicans want it that way.

Be careful of folks who just make up stuff as they go like this fella.

 

[OldRegular]

No, not really. Most people don't understand that this isn't a matter of passing a bill. It would require a state passing legislation restricting abortion, and law suits going through the courts until it was appealed to the Supreme Court. If they decided not to hear it, the legislation would be nullified, and right now, with Roberts' position clear, it's at best 5-4 pro-choice. Congress cannot pass a law that violates the provisions of a decision upheld by the court.

The Roberts position is not clear and will not be until a case reaches the court. Romney could have placed one or more Justices on the Court.

Romney suddenly became pro-life after a political career and record that established him as pro-gay marriage and pro-abortion. His position essentially depended on nothing but lip service. And his Mormon faith doesn't hold to a "life begins at conception" position. I wouldn't want to depend on a Mormon to deliver on this, but I don't think there would have been any worries. He had no intention of doing so.

People do change you know. And since when are you into channeling?

Being a constituency in the Republican party, the Christian right has gained nothing. It has loyally supported the GOP. In return, it is expected to help raise money and get out votes, but in return, it has received next to nothing.

It is incorrect to say that the Christian right, whatever that is, is a constituency of the Republican Party. The elections of 2006, 2008, and 2012 have shown that is incorrect!

The party, knowing the sensitivity of conservative Christians when it comes to their faith and doctrine, allowed a Mormon, cult follower to be nominated for President instead of one of their own. What does that tell you?

You realize that Romney was selected through a series of primary elections don't you? If the candidates were selected by the conventions as they were years ago your comment might have merit but it does not!

 

[General Mung Beans]

I can agree with you up to a point, but:



He was nominated because he won the primary.

I admit, we had a pretty pitiful field to pick from, though.

Certainly, he was the only viable candidate among the major ones-Jon Huntsman would have been far superior to Governor Romney but unfortunately he was polling in the single digits.

 

[Aaron]

The fault is in a gluttonous and idolatrous humanity.

So, you agree that the Republican platform is a more righteous and just political platform, and that the reason it did not win is not its weakness, but in the wickedness of the electorate.

 

[Oldtimer]

You realize that Romney was selected through a series of primary elections don't you? If the candidates were selected by the conventions as they were years ago your comment might have merit but it does not!

Amazing how often that's been forgotten when liberals continue in their continual attack on anything that hints of being anti-liberal agenda.

Forgotten, too, was the systematic weeding out of every conservative presidental candidate, until the most liberal of all the major candidates was left on top of the Republican ticket. Yes, systematic, as the liberal media and the Washington establishment focused on them, one at a time, during the primaries. As each achieved growing conservative support, they went down in flames.

Regardless of statements of protest to the contrary, anyone who went to the polls and voted for Obama as POTUS endorsed abortion, homosexuality, and everything else that's turning this nation away from God.

Lady Eagle summed it up.

In short, the American people (at least the majority of those who voted last month) don't care about aborted babies, do care they can get free abortions and birth control pills, do care about "free cell phones" etc., don't care about Benghazi, don't care about fiscal cliffs, don't care about illegal immigration, don't care about politics or the economy or our troops fighting in godless places, don't care about freedoms being taken away, don't care about jobs being lost, and just don't care, period. Anyway, that's my take on it, based on the election results.

And guess what, I can see that BOTH parties are so corrupt, that our nation is so morally bankrupt, that I see America completely destroyed from within within the next generation or sooner.

Sooner may be more likely. How much longer will God continue to show His patience by staying His hand? Even though what little time I have left on earth grows shorter each day, I may be a first hand witness to His wrath, before He calls me home. May God have mercy on us all.

 

[LadyEagle]

It would take 60 votes in the Senate to pass major legislation restricting abortion. The most that the Republicans controlled during the Bush years was 55! So you see Lady Eagle the abortion issue could not have been settled by law.

But they could have done the "nuclear option" like they did for obamacare!

 

[Crabtownboy]

It would take 60 votes in the Senate to pass major legislation restricting abortion. The most that the Republicans controlled during the Bush years was 55! So you see Lady Eagle the abortion issue could not have been settled by law.

And that is why, thought I am against abortions, I have said it is a waste of time and effort to dwell on this topic as far as Congress is concerned.

Gee, this thread has gone way, way, way off the topic.

 

[OldRegular]

But they could have done the "nuclear option" like they did for obamacare!

They did not do a nuclear option for obamacare. You need to review exactly how that legislation was passed.

 

[OldRegular]

And that is why, thought I am against abortions, I have said it is a waste of time and effort to dwell on this topic as far as Congress is concerned.

Gee, this thread has gone way, way, way off the topic.

I dwell on it because professing Christians support the continuation of this slaughter by supporting the party of death and its rabid abortionist president!

 

[OldRegular]

Certainly, he was the only viable candidate among the major ones-Jon Huntsman would have been far superior to Governor Romney but unfortunately he was polling in the single digits.

I agree Huntsman would have made a better candidate. He made the same mistake that Rudy Giuliani made in 2008, Giuliani put all his eggs in Florida, Huntsman in New Hampshire!

 

[Jack Matthews]

There is nothing in the Republican platform that can compare with the democrat celebration of abortion; that is unless you believe it is okay to slaughter unborn children!

So you believe that some sin isn't as bad as other sin. Well, that is convenient.

 

[Jack Matthews]

Be careful of folks who just make up stuff as they go like this fella.

Blanket statement. Typical when you don't have facts on your side.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I dwell on it because professing Christians support the continuation of this slaughter by supporting the party of death and its rabid abortionist president!

No you are obsessed with abortion and bring it up continually regardless of the topic of the thread. This thread is an example. Abortion has nothing to do with the OP.

And, you support a party that is pro-death and pro-misery for the living.

I am against abortion and I am pro-life for the living.

 

[preachinjesus]

Crabby,

You're forgetting what your elders taught you about fighting with a drunk and/or madman.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabby,

You're forgetting what your elders taught you about fighting with a drunk and/or madman.

Oh, oh ... I did forget.