For Those Who Love The KJV

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

The following link is to a June 2011 article in regard to the 400th anniversary of the KJV that was written by Bro.James W. Knox, Pastor of THE BIBLE Baptist Church of Deland,FL. It is a commentary worth reading that makes some excellent points about what God's intentions are in regard to His Word. I'm not posting it for any intention of debate, but rather that I think it exhorts all Bible Believing Christians to a higher purpose than merely "possessing" the words of God. Check out the following link:
400th Anniversary of the KJV | The Preaching of The Cross

Happy New Year everybody!

Bro.Gregraying:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

This being a debate forum we cannot preclude debate on the issue.

Looking forward to reading the article. I do love the KJV translation.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

I Know....

This being a debate forum we cannot preclude debate on the issue.

Looking forward to reading the article. I do love the KJV translation.

Oh...I know Bro.Roger....I was just saying that it was not posted with that as the primary intention. I well know that inspite of my best intentions...... In any case, I hope there be some,including yourself that are blessed and challenged by Bro.Knox's comments. I know I was. Here is a link to his website as well. It is an excellent site with many useful resources:

The Preaching of The Cross | The ministry of THE BIBLE Baptist Church and Pastor James W. Knox

Bro.Gregraying:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I like his focus on the application of the word of God to our lives, but think it is a presumptuous to compare the KJV to the 10 Commandments.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Just a few thoughts...

I like his focus on the application of the word of God to our lives, but think it is a presumptuous to compare the KJV to the 10 Commandments.

I have heard that kind of comparison before. It is obviously debatable but I do find it interesting that it is in fact true that (if I remember the account correctly)Moses did in fact have to make a copy (Deut.10:4,5) to replace the "originals" that were in fact "two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."(Exodus 31:18). This was an instance of God's work of Preservation in regards to His perfect Word. The valid parallel is that the KJV was/is a continuation of that work of preservation. Some will, I'm sure, say that the MV's are also a continuation of that work. We KJV'ers think that is not the case because of the textual foundation of the MV's. It is an argument that is probably unsolvable this side of heaven. There is the broader argument that is picking up steam that the abandonment of the KJV is/will lead to the end-time apostasy and compromise that is becoming more and more evident as time marches forward. I would have to say that it is pretty evident that much of the compromise we see going on today, if you dig deep enough, will reveal that the use of the KJV is almost completely missing having been replaced by any number of modern translations. I contend that the "new paths" are not good. I enjoyed Bro.Knox's comments very much and was challenged to become more obedient to God's Word and reject the world's paths.

Bro.Greg:thumbs:

 

[Yeshua1]

I have heard that kind of comparison before. It is obviously debatable but I do find it interesting that it is in fact true that (if I remember the account correctly)Moses did in fact have to make a copy (Deut.10:4,5) to replace the "originals" that were in fact "two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God."(Exodus 31:18). This was an instance of God's work of Preservation in regards to His perfect Word. The valid parallel is that the KJV was/is a continuation of that work of preservation. Some will, I'm sure, say that the MV's are also a continuation of that work. We KJV'ers think that is not the case because of the textual foundation of the MV's. It is an argument that is probably unsolvable this side of heaven. There is the broader argument that is picking up steam that the abandonment of the KJV is/will lead to the end-time apostasy and compromise that is becoming more and more evident as time marches forward. I would have to say that it is pretty evident that much of the compromise we see going on today, if you dig deep enough, will reveal that the use of the KJV is almost completely missing having been replaced by any number of modern translations. I contend that the "new paths" are not good. I enjoyed Bro.Knox's comments very much and was challenged to become more obedient to God's Word and reject the world's paths.

Bro.Greg:thumbs:

again, the ONLY inerrant texts were the originals penned by peter/paul/John!

The word of God was preserved to and for us today in the current Greek/hebrew original language texts, so ANY version translated off them in a compentet fashion would be seen as being English word of god to us, Kjv/Nasb/Niv...

NONE of them would be equal to the originals, especuially not 10 commandments God gave Moses!

And again, NONE here dislike/hate the Kjv, its that we just see the modern versions as being superior in some regards, especially to modern readers!

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

Thank You....

again, the ONLY inerrant texts were the originals penned by peter/paul/John!

The word of God was preserved to and for us today in the current Greek/hebrew original language texts, so ANY version translated off them in a compentet fashion would be seen as being English word of god to us, Kjv/Nasb/Niv...

NONE of them would be equal to the originals, especuially not 10 commandments God gave Moses!

And again, NONE here dislike/hate the Kjv, its that we just see the modern versions as being superior in some regards, especially to modern readers!

Thank you for sharing your OPINION...and you are indeed welcome to it. By the way...I hope you took the time to read Bro.Knox's commentary.

Bro.Greg

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you for sharing your OPINION...and you are indeed welcome to it. By the way...I hope you took the time to read Bro.Knox's commentary.

Bro.Greg

did, but would still say that my view is NOT just my opinion, but thats the conclusion os the actual facts!

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Actually, the Geneva Bible, Tyndale Bible, & Bishops Bible were THE BIBLES for the English speaking people, which were wrought by the blood of martyrs, until the State Church of England produced the KJV & outlawed every other Bible. It was first rejected by believers as the Bible of their oppressors. The KJV is an excellent translation, but I do not turn a blind eye to the historical facts surrounding it's inception.

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

And Again...

did, but would still say that my view is NOT just my opinion, but thats the conclusion os the actual facts!

Yeshua1...seriously brother...no disrespect intended, but just because you regard "your view" as a conclusion based on what you regard as "actual facts" does not necessarily make it so. I could, and in fact do, feel the same way about the conclusion I have come too after investigating the "evidence" that I have examined over the course of 30 plus years. You and I obviously came to two different conclusions. I have a Bible that I believe has no proven errors. I have absolute confidence in it and I am trying, with the Lord's help daily, to live according to it. It is a battle. Heaven will be a welcome place to arrive in.

Bro.Greg:saint:

 

[thomas15]

From the pen of Brother Knox:

By Definition
$8.00
Brother James holds earned degrees in English and Journalism and has used this background, along with his extensive library to put together a virtual text book on the language of the King James Version. BY DEFINITION takes on the most difficult words in the English Bible and sets forth their origin, meaning and usage in a clear and concise manner. Using humor and common sense the reader is guided into an understanding of the English language and thereby enabled to better enjoy the Holy Bible. In addition to the interesting word studies, there are fifteen appendices covering such subjects as thees and thous, grammar and spelling, words in italics, est and eth endings, etc. These clear lessons will help readers of all skill levels comprehend and enjoy their Bible as never before. Detailed enough for the advanced student, yet, plain enough for the most casual reader, BY DEFINITION will be one of the most oft-used resources in any library. (228 pages).

Does anyone else besides thomas15 see the irony with respect to the need for such a work as By Definition?

 

[Bob Alkire]

I love the KJV and use it everyday! I also use the ASV 1901 each week or more. Others have written books to help understand the old English so we now have By Definition. I always used a dictionary and asked the pastor or another older believer what some thing mend if I couldn't work it out.
My KJV has The Translators To The Readers in the front and that tells us a lot.
I have never understood or bought into the KJ only deal.

 

[robycop3]

Gregory Perry Sr :

There is the broader argument that is picking up steam that the abandonment of the KJV is/will lead to the end-time apostasy and compromise that is becoming more and more evident as time marches forward.

The apostasy comes from not believing ANY Bible version fully, insteada which version is being used. Now, I'll be the first to admit that there are some bugus "translations" out there, such as the "Queen James", Clear Word, and NWT, but again, they're but drops of water in the apostasy ocean.

I would have to say that it is pretty evident that much of the compromise we see going on today, if you dig deep enough, will reveal that the use of the KJV is almost completely missing having been replaced by any number of modern translations.

Don't forget that several sizable cults and false teleministers use the KJV. While this does not diminish the validity of the KJV, the use of MVs by certain apostate orgs doesn't diminish their validity, either.

 

[thomas15]

Thank you for sharing your OPINION...and you are indeed welcome to it. By the way...I hope you took the time to read Bro.Knox's commentary.

Bro.Greg

I read the commentary by Brother Knox. While he does give the KJV credit for many things, I'm struggling to say that he makes the case for KJVO.

 

[Logos1560]

The following link is to a June 2011 article in regard to the 400th anniversary of the KJV that was written by Bro.James W. Knox,

Knox wrote: "My purpose today is to appeal to those who are convinced our English Bible stands without error and bears no need of revision."

Would Knox claim that the English Bible before 1611 was without error and bore no need of revision?

Would Knox claim that the 1611 edition of the KJV was without error and bore no need of revision?

Except for the reprints of the 1611 edition, all other present editions of the KJV have been inconsistently revised.

Which of the twenty to thirty or more varying editions of the KJV in print today is supposed to be the one that "stands without error and bears no need of revision"?

On what greater authority is it claimed that a certain translation stands without error? Is a man's opinion or assertion the determiner of truth?

What man or group of men have compared a translation to the preserved Scriptures in the original languages and have proven that the translation is without error?

Do the Scriptures actually state or teach that the interpreting of any certain exclusive group of scholars in translating the preserved original language Scriptures is to be considered perfect or infallible?

 

[Rippon]

There is the broader argument that is picking up steam that the abandonment of the KJV is/will lead to the end-time apostasy and compromise that is becoming more and more evident as time marches forward.

Your sentiment is absolute bunk. I am being charitable.

 

[Yeshua1]

Your sentiment is absolute bunk. I am being charitable.

Don't you realise that your favorite version and mine, the NIV/Nasb, are both 'satanic influenced new Age versions?"

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

No need to struggle...

I read the commentary by Brother Knox. While he does give the KJV credit for many things, I'm struggling to say that he makes the case for KJVO.

I doubt seriously that Bro.Knox loses any sleep over the matter. I know him to be a staunch defender of the perfection and accuracy of the AV and I wasn't of the impression that his commentary was intended to be a "defence" of it per/se. I think he was intending rather to render honor to it instead and exhort people to be more attentive to obeying it's truths and precepts. I believe his "point" was (to those of us he was addressing that he AGREES with) that we should spend less time bragging about the idea that we have the right Bible and spend more time walking after and in obedience to it's teachings.

At least,that's what I got from it....and why I posted it.

Bro.Greg:type:

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

OK

Your sentiment is absolute bunk. I am being charitable.

Whatever.....you ARE entitled to think as you wish, but I firmly disagree with you. I bet if you walk into 95% (or better) of these "Community" or "Bible" or "You Pick The Trendy "Cool" Name" "Fellowship" or "Church" or even many of the more liberal non-fundamental "Baptist" churches you'd find a plethora of different Bible versions in the laps of those in the pews (or couches and chairs) (depending on the setting I guess) and anything BUT a KJV sitting on the pulpit. We have lost our way and our respect for the "old paths" in this corrupt generation.....and you'll never convince me that it doesn't have something to do with the abandonment of the old Bibles for something "modern" and "up to date"....and if I wasn't being charitable I wouldn't bother trying to tell the truth. Anybody that denies the compromise of our day and the general state of "lukewarmness" of today's modern church has, in my opinion, their head stuck in the sand.

Bro.Gregraying:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Anybody that denies the compromise of our day and the general state of "lukewarmness" of today's modern church has, in my opinion, their head stuck in the sand.

Bro.Gregraying:

And I would have to say Bro Greg that anyone who blames that lukewarmness on the fact that people have the word of God in modern English is, in my opinion. sharing that same sand. Some of the most vibrant, dedicated, godly, most on fire for God Christians I know have never seen a King James Bible. I also know KJVO folks who are dead, listless, flat, and weak in their faith. I also know the opposite on each side.