Featured For Those Who Love The KJV

True, I have never understood the viewpoint that our spiritual vitality depends upon having the One True Correct Book In The Correct Vernacular. For the first 400-1500 years of the Church they were not even sure which books WERE the Bible. Why cannot we rejoice that, in English, we have at least a dozen excellent translations and GET BUSY TRANSLATING THE WORD FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NONE? May God bless Wycliffe and others who are doing so.

(Sorry for the hijack...)

 

Mr. Perry, with all due respect:

Your trying to blame the prophesied "great falling away' on Bible versions is just another incorrect KJVO excuse. NONE of the many excuses KJVOs have invented to attempt to justify their man-made doctrine are valid. The ONLY one that is valid is PERSONAL PREFERENCE. None other holds water.

It's been repeated ad nauseam that the KJVO myth has no Scriptural support, and also, what its MAN-MADE origin is. And Baptists should certainly not believe any man-made doctrine of worship.

Again, no prob with one's using only the KJV outta PERSONAL PREFERENCE, but when one disses every other Bible translation out there, that one is in serious error, trying to make GOD'S work to no effect.

 

Personally, and I mean this in the most sincere way possible, I'm not going to lose any sleep over Brother Knox not losing any sleep.

I took some time and read Brother Knox's church website. I'm sure Brother Knox is a fine gentleman and Christian and servant of the Lord and I do not doubt his calling. Nor do I doubt the considerable fruits of his calling. But based on my reading of the material on the website, Brother Knox appears to be at the helm of what I would classify as a high control organization. Different strokes for different folks but being of a rebellious nature, I will pass on that!

I also cannot help myself in speculating on an issue regarding Brother Knox at a personal level. Perhaps I'm wrong and I hope I am. Reading the bio of Brother Knox lists his higher education accomplishments. He left out the part about going to Bible college where he studied Hebrew and Greek. By listing those accomplishments in the languages of the Bible would add considerable credibility to his cause (KJVO). As this observation is so obvious and basic, I speculate that there might be perhaps a hole in Brother Knox's education? I hope I'm wrong.

 

Amen and that is why I detest, despise, and yes- HATE the KJVO doctrine.

 

Brother Greg,

May I ask what would be the donor text for the new translations?

 

God told Moses to hew two more tables [tablets] of stone, but God Himself wrote the exact same words again on them (Deut. 10:1-4). God said: "I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou [Moses] brakest" (Deut. 10:2).

God Himself writing down the same words again on two tablets of stone is not a valid parallel to the translating of the KJV.

The KJV does not preserve the exact same words that God gave by inspiration to the prophets and apostles. Different words in a different language is not preservation of the exact same original language words.

Would not the only actual sense in which preservation could be claimed to apply to a translation involve the meaning of the original language words and not the actual words? I would not think that you would suggest that the Bible's doctrine of preservation concerned dynamic equivalencies or meaning preservation instead of exact word preservation.

 

According to a consistent application of the reasoning that you had quoted, the KJV was the new path in 1611 while the Geneva Bible was the old path that believers should have stuck with.

Thus, you properly point out one serious problem with typical KJV-only reasoning. KJV-only reasoning cannot be applied consistently, especially to before 1611, without exposing that it is not actually scripturally sound.

 

I don't know if "confused" is the right word, but I do know mutiple versions have caused QUESTIONS about the accuracy of the Word of God. We use various versions in our church, each member is free to use whatever version he likes, but our pastor preaches from the NKJV. Anyway, several times over the years, mostly during Sunday School classes or in Weds. night Bible study, questions were raised about the same things talked about here. Missing passages, included passages, different words, etc. So much so, that some actually doubted the Word of God. They weren't sure WHAT was actually supposed to be in the Bible. And if they "weren't sure about certain passages, how could they be sure of ANY of it"? Please don't stick your head in the sand and pretend it isn't happening. It is.

 

And that's GOOD! Faith, to grow, needs challenges!

 

B4L, do U question the different wordings of the "Lord's Prayer" in different boox of the same translation? How about the different wording of the sign over Jesus' head on His cross? This differs among the four "Gospels". Or, do U do as I do and realize that each book was written by a different person from his own unique perception and writing ability?

While I was a cop, I might get accounts from four witnesses to the same accident, plus, I would have the accounts of those involved in the accident. From these accounts, plus the physical evidence, I would hafta determine what actually occurred as best I could, and write my report accordingly, taking into account my perception of witness credibility, etc.

Well, it's not that hard to see the truth of God's word, remembering that its various "boox" were written by different authors in different times and languages, with those same facts being applied to the various ancient manuscripts from which our Bible translations are made. I believe GOD caused them all to be made, that He's caused various translathins to have been made in many languages, and that He's done this to give us a broader overview of His word, to give the HOLY SPIRIT more to work with as He teaches us.

 

Really?

 

I'm telling you it's caused people to DOUBT the believability of Scripture. Too many Bibles don't agree. Some have a passage, others omit that passage. This raises questions as to the validity of ANY of Scripture. People on internet forums like this one argue over it! This causes doubts to arise. That's NOT a good thing.