steaver
What do you mean when you say they were "untested"? What was God testing?
Good question. I think to answer these kind of questions we need all 66 books in this sense.
1] Moses writes Genesis
2] Moses was not there when God created Adam and Eve...or when they fell.
3] This tells us that God had him write what we need to know...as it pertains ultimately to the blood of the cross, and the redemption of God's people.
4] So we must do two things...examine the Gen. account carefully for what is and is not revealed in it....then see how those facts square with the other 65 books of revealed truth.
5] We can only glean accurately from the text of scripture by what it says directly,and by what it says in other places as the Spirit would reveal truth.
Can I give an example?
You ask;
What do you mean when you say they were "untested"? What was God testing?
Throughout scripture we notice God tests with the idea that man be approved by obedience of faith.ie, [Abraham/Issac}
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Do you think that God did not already know???
Adam and Eve after creation were described in part here..........
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
So they were very good....brand new....with original righteousness...in other words, there was no sin,death , or rebellion...
Steaver.... we are not told;
1] How long this condition existed
2] What was unfallen man like without the burden and curse of sin and death
3] We are told Adam named all the animals...how did he do this?
What language skills and mental capacity was he created with from his first day on earth. He did not watch animal planet, or get a set of hooked on phonics, or rosetta stone:laugh:
4] How much communion and fellowship did he enjoy with God? we are not told what degree of gift he had.
5] he walked with clear conscience before God...we have no idea what that kind of pure fellowship is.except for one thing and the one thing gives some of the answer here.
We are to study the life and active obedience of the second Adam, the Lord Jesus Christ...the only True Image Bearer, and the True Israel of God.
in doing that we see this for example....
Luke 4
King James Version (KJV)
4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
Like the first Adam, Jesus was approached by Satan, and being asked to act independantly of the Fathers will as Adam was.
Notice...Satan always ascribes evil motives to God the Father. I warn many here on BB not to ascribe these same evil motives to our Holy God
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
or this...
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
The image bearer teaching studied out shows the answer to some of your testing question....Jesus always did the will of the Father...Adam did not.
The scripture does not tell us all things we want to speculate about.We are given all we need to know as pertains to life and godliness.
I'm speaking of the curse given in Genesis. According to TULIP, they had no choice but to not believe from that original fall and curse.
Steaver...No...Total depravity.....describes man after the fall, not before.
This is why i suggest that you read some good online sources on this...half of your questions will clear up when you are exposed to truth.
for you,enjoy:
http://www.chapellibrary.org/audio/here-we-stand/
