Featured Regaining salvation, once lost.

That is the ONLY way one could view the passage IF one held to be able to 'freely reject" the salvation Granted you by God...

It would be Apostasy, as the saint would willfully and forever reject Jesus, searing their conscience, not willing/able to even come back to him and be reborn again...

I hold that since we are chosen by God, and He is the one that actually saves us by His Grace/Will/mercy, he will nake sure that all that come to Christ shall stay abiding in christ!

Writer of hebrews ends that passage with the "But we are persuaded of better things concerning you", so whatever he was saying, was NOT directed to real saints losing their salvation!

 

You have hit upon it! And this is a possibility, or else the author was wasting his time giving an empty warning that could not take place.

 

No, it's NOT the only way one can view it. Heb 6 is not even a 'heaven or hell' passage, neither is Heb 10.

 

Just wanted to say that I did a lot of reading here while waiting for my membership to be approved, and, while I saw some areas of disagreement with you, I like the way you always present your case.

I feel like you are a person I could have a good and brotherly discussion with.

 

Why, thank you TH.

 

Actually, its a STRONG case to prove eternal security, for he is presenting this as a "what if" type of proposition here, and argues that IF one could actually lose their ssalvation, would be one and done, but is persuaded that it is NOT even a real possibility!

 

Of course I disagree. And this is not the only passage that I base my view on. But I'd just as soon not get into a Calvinism vs. Arminianism debate. I've seen that this is one of the major things here, and I don't intend to get dragged or lead into it.

 

think BOTH o fus can agree that IF one holds to it being ONLY loss of salvation via Apostasy, that would mean "one and done", not the many times losing the Lord getting Him back some Arminian teachers/preachers seem to take!

 

What is this "loss of salvation" you speak of ?

There is no such thing concerning this fictional "loss of salvation"

 

I believe I could agree with that. I suppose my view is somewhere between the notion that a true believer can never become unsaved no matter what, and the notion that one can be saved today, lost tomorrow, saved the next day and lost the following day, etc.

 

And I thought most of you believed the Bible. It disagrees with you. Apostasy is possible, and not only possible but a fact. It has happened and will happen.

 

Not only was it a possibilty, it was happening, evidently on a large scale within the JEWISH CHURCH, and the exhortation to 'hold fast', 'take heed', and not fall away is a continuous theme all through the epistle:

Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: Heb 3:12

You are promoting the totally false premise that 'true Christians' can never make shipwreck of their faith. Why these admonitions then?:

......to present you holy and without blemish and unreproveable before him: if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, Col 1:22,23

Behold then the goodness and severity of God: toward them that fell, severity; but toward thee, God`s goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Ro 11:22

Now I make known unto you brethren, the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye received, wherein also ye stand, by which also ye are saved, if ye hold fast the word which I preached unto you, except ye believed in vain. 1 Cor 15:1,2

but Christ as a son, over his house; whose house are we, if we hold fast our boldness and the glorying of our hope firm unto the end...... for we are become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end: Heb 3:6,14

 

Yep--good post. These are sober reminders indeed that we need to continue in the faith and not become hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Heb 3:13).

 

Tomas Helwys

Everything I believe is because of Gods decrees found in the scriptures That is why I am so certain concerning our eternal security.

Of course that is just the tip of the ice berg.

The scriptures are overflowing with evidence in support of eternal security.

 

Shipwreaked faith would NOT refer to lose of salvation, but to getting to a place where one is worthless as a testimony/worker unto the lord!

paul admonishes us to especially avoid falling into lust/greed for money, as that has shpwreaked many a saint into less than what God intended for him to be!

One who God has "placed on the shelf", until further notice!