The word "from" does not work that way, Winman.
If I sang Gloryland Way FROM Jackson to Memphis that does not mean that I started singing in Tupelo.
It means I started singing at Jackson.
For a fellow that prides himself on being so logical and smart, surely you would recognize that Psalm 58 is hyperbole. Look at the verses that follow verse 3;
Psa 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
4 Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
5 Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.
7 Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, let them be as cut in pieces.
8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
First of all, there has NEVER been a baby that can speak the moment it comes out of the womb. Oh, a baby can cry, but they cannot speak, and they cannot form the intent to lie. Lying is something intentional. If you say something wrong by mistake, that is not a lie.
Babies are not poisonous like an adder, and mothers who breast-feed are glad for that. :thumbs:
Babies are not born with a mouthful of huge teeth like a young lion.
Babies do not melt like a snail, even if you pour salt on them.
David was not praying for all newborn babies everywhere to pass away.
So, this whole Psalm is an extreme exaggeration and should not be used to form doctrine about Original Sin.
Psalm 51 is also abused in a similar way.
Psa 51:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
This of course is David's confession of his sin with Bathsheba. Note how David admits his personal guilt;
vs 1 my transgressions
vs 2 mine iniquity, my sin
vs 3 my transgressions, my sin
vs 4 have I sinned
David is clearly taking full responsibility for his sin in the first 4 verses. Now you want us to believe that in verse 5 David suddenly blames his sin on his birth? It is not his fault he sinned, he was born that way, he could not help it, it was his sin nature??
Now, that is how ridiculous folks are that believe this is teaching Original Sin. Original Sin is an EXCUSE for sin. No man can truly repent of sin if he believes he was born that way and cannot help but sin. This is why homosexuals claim they were born that way, to excuse their sin.
Now, if you are so smart, you would know what I am telling you is true. This verse makes no sense to teach Original Sin.
Many believe that David was speaking of his mother in this verse. His mother had children with a Gentile (Zeruiah and Abigail) before she was married to David's father. David's sisters were half-Gentile. David did not have the same mother as his brothers. When Samuel came to see Jesse, Jesse did not bring David out the first two times until Samuel demanded it. David was the "black sheep" of the family, and this is what many scholars believe David was expressing in verse 5. His mother was "polluted" with a Gentile before he was born.
Now this is the more plausible explanation of verse 5, that David was born of a mother that had had children with a non-Jew before she was married to Jesse. Thus, David was considered the son of a polluted woman which was a cause of shame in ancient times.
But it makes no sense to accept blame for David's sin in the first 4 verses, and then suddenly blame his birth in verse 5.
You should be intelligent enough to see this.
FTEN, acts as though he believes the Bible when he posts texts out of context and demands that the APPARENT surface meaning be THE meaning of the text.