Last controversial thread

[alvin]

Thank you for all of your very constructive comments on such a controversial topic.

 

[annsni]

You surprise me as a 40 year pastor and yet you say that we can't say what is a sin but instead that is for God to determine.

God HAS determined what is a sin and He has given us His Word to communicate that to us. If we say that which is sin is not, then we have a bigger problem than a dissertation.

 

[Bronconagurski]

Thank you for all of your very constructive comments on such a controversial topic.

It's too late to apologize.

 

[Zaac]

It's too late to apologize.

And this is what so many of the "undesirables" hear from the Church to the point that the only way they see out is to take their own lives.

 

[alvin]

And this is what so many of the "undesirables" hear from the Church to the point that the only way they see out is to take their own lives.

You are right Zaac. I could not imagine what it would be like to live in a category that is despised, and be told that God despises me also.

 

[Bronconagurski]

And this is what so many of the "undesirables" hear from the Church to the point that the only way they see out is to take their own lives.

Look, Zaac, that is a ridiculous statement. I have dealt fact to face with the homosexual crowd in my area. No one killed themself, and no one was told forgiveness was not an option. But we did like Jesus and told them that we did not condemn them, but to go and sin no more.

As far as my message to Alvin, I said that tongue in cheek because he was given every opportunity to have an honest dialogue and would not do it. The first post I answered to him was an honest opinion by me. The next asked him to clarify what he meant by an unclear post. I was not rude, nor did I call him names. He was the one that was rude and chose not to respond in a civilized manner. So take your false accusations, lies, whatever you want to call them, and look in the mirror. Tell your "buddy" to do the same. Even now he tries to circumvent the moderators and open the thread up again.

 

[alvin]

It's too late to apologize.

Apologize? For what would I apologize? For raising a question?

 

[Bronconagurski]

Apologize? For what would I apologize? For raising a question?

Forget it, I should have known it would go over your head. At least you proved you can answer someone besides Zaac. Maybe there is hope for you to discuss things in a civil manner. You should have apologized for your rudeness, but you did not, nor did you even see how rude you were being. Congrats.

 

[Zaac]

Look, Zaac, that is a ridiculous statement. I have dealt fact to face with the homosexual crowd in my area. No one killed themself, and no one was told forgiveness was not an option. But we did like Jesus and told them that we did not condemn them, but to go and sin no more.

Look Bronconagurski. You apparently don't get it. When folks hear you screaming that about their sin all the time while never doing the same with every other sin, they tend to think that they are beyond the point of being forgiven.

You may not have experienced anyone killing themselves over this, but I sure have. And it is a wicked, wicked thing that the church does.

In just looking at the other thread, it's very obvious that some on here like a lot of the church do more than say go and sin no more. You attach a stigma to particular sins that often, these individuals see no escape from and they take their lives.

As far as my message to Alvin, I said that tongue in cheek because he was given every opportunity to have an honest dialogue and would not do it. The first post I answered to him was an honest opinion by me. The next asked him to clarify what he meant by an unclear post. I was not rude, nor did I call him names. He was the one that was rude and chose not to respond in a civilized manner. So take your false accusations, lies, whatever you want to call them, and look in the mirror. Tell your "buddy" to do the same. Even now he tries to circumvent the moderators and open the thread up again.

If you felt he was circumventing anything, you should have just reported him and not replied.

He had more he wanted to say and apparently so did you. So if he is circumventing, so are you. :laugh:

 

[Zaac]

Forget it, I should have known it would go over your head. At least you proved you can answer someone besides Zaac. Maybe there is hope for you to discuss things in a civil manner. You should have apologized for your rudeness, but you did not, nor did you even see how rude you were being. Congrats.

He wasn't being rude. That's just the way the majority of yall who have been on this board for a long time treat anyone who does not agree with you. And because yall usually run in the same packs, the behavior is excused or not commented upon.

Somebody might as well call the mess what it is.

 

[Bronconagurski]

Look Bronconagurski. You apparently don't get it. When folks hear you screaming that about their sin all the time while never doing the same with every other sin, they tend to think that they are beyond the point of being forgiven.

You may not have experienced anyone killing themselves over this, but I sure have. And it is a wicked, wicked thing that the church does.

In just looking at the other thread, it's very obvious that some on here like a lot of the church do more than say go and sin no more. You attach a stigma to particular sins that often, these individuals see no escape from and they take their lives.

If you felt he was circumventing anything, you should have just reported him and not replied.

He had more he wanted to say and apparently so did you. So if he is circumventing, so are you. :laugh:[/QUOTE]

I gave him the benefit of the doubt as I did the first time. No one screamed at the homosexuals about their sin. They asked questions and I dealt with them honestly. You may scream at people, but I do not, so don't come here with your false assumptions about someone you don't even know. I get it, as my younger brother died of aids, and my and my sister's compassion is why he was taken care of and not put in a nursing home. He love us, and we loved him. Don't talk down to me son, because you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[annsni]

I find it interesting that the church is called "wicked" for calling sin a sin.

 

[alvin]

Again, thank you all for a most interesting review of how controversial topics are managed among SOuthern Baptists. The most revealing is the fact this thread was removed. Why? What danger lie in critical thinking?

 

[annsni]

Again, thank you all for a most interesting review of how controversial topics are managed among SOuthern Baptists. The most revealing is the fact this thread was removed. Why? What danger lie in critical thinking?

This thread was not removed.

 

[12strings]

1. You do realize this is not an SBC thread, right? So this board proves nothing about the SBC, except perhaps as a comparison with the more broad sampling of baptists on this site.

2. Btw, 3 different scripture passages in the NT address homosexuality, all refer to it as sinful and against God's design for sexuality. So the "that's just the OT Law argument doesn't work.

3. You are probably right that some groups isolate it too much from other sins...but the fact remains that God HAS determined what is sin, and homosexual acts are one of them. Each age of the church must address error when it presents itself...in the early church it was arianism, currently, it seems to be homosexuality...perhaps in 1000 years we'll all be talking about women's head coverings? Who knows?

 

[alvin]

1. You do realize this is not an SBC thread, right? So this board proves nothing about the SBC, except perhaps as a comparison with the more broad sampling of baptists on this site.

2. Btw, 3 different scripture passages in the NT address homosexuality, all refer to it as sinful and against God's design for sexuality. So the "that's just the OT Law argument doesn't work.

3. You are probably right that some groups isolate it too much from other sins...but the fact remains that God HAS determined what is sin, and homosexual acts are one of them. Each age of the church must address error when it presents itself...in the early church it was arianism, currently, it seems to be homosexuality...perhaps in 1000 years we'll all be talking about women's head coverings? Who knows?

The first thread was removed. Then we are agreed we are not to use the OT in the condemnation of homosexuals and homosexuality?

 

[Bronconagurski]

Again, thank you all for a most interesting review of how controversial topics are managed among SOuthern Baptists. The most revealing is the fact this thread was removed. Why? What danger lie in critical thinking?

As Ann said, the thread was not removed, but stopped because of you. You were only interested in your diatribes and refused direct debate with others. That smacks of activism and is the actions of a troll, like it or not. Pull the beam out of your eye before getting the speck out of ours. You can here in an accusatory manner and were very rude. You were answered respectfully and truthfully in the very beginning, yet you did not reciprocate. As usual, you are excusing your behavior just as you do others. Grow up.

 

[alvin]

It is not possible to determine the meaning of any verse without context. Is it possible to reconstruct the context of a single passage in the Bible with 100% certainty? Of course not. The best we can do is arrive at a highest degree of probability. The highest degree of probability is not the same things as 100% certainty. Yet, people are perfectly comfortable of damning entire categories of people based on probability. If you are going to borrow God’s authority to harm anyone for any reason you need be 100% certain.

 

[Zaac]

I find it interesting that the church is called "wicked" for calling sin a sin.

Then you find something interesting that wasn't said. But what's new? You and your clique like to make comments about what you want a person to have said so that you can come back and make a quip about something that hasn't been said. It's old.:laugh:

 

[Zaac]

As Ann said, the thread was not removed, but stopped because of you. You were only interested in your diatribes and refused direct debate with others. That smacks of activism and is the actions of a troll, like it or not. Pull the beam out of your eye before getting the speck out of ours. You can here in an accusatory manner and were very rude. You were answered respectfully and truthfully in the very beginning, yet you did not reciprocate. As usual, you are excusing your behavior just as you do others. Grow up.

The lot of you need to grow up. The man asked some questions based upon what he has seen. The minute someone says something with which yall disagree, the attack switch gets flipped and the sharks start chumming the waters to get their buddies to join the attack.

Might explain why the clique is always saying things were said that weren't said.