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That is the only authority to do it under. Paul condemned those who preached a false Gospel of self-salvation.

 

Will a drunk go to heaven? What about a fornicator? Only God knows the heart. But I know this: A real Christian will be convicted by an action that is clearly a sin, such as homosexualism, or drunkenness, and will not continue in those actions as if there is nothing wrong. I know this, because God convicted me of getting drunk when I got saved and took it away from me by His grace. Don't tell me He won't do the same for the person doing homosexual acts, or those having any sex outside of marriage. But as for who is going to heaven, I am not in the place of God. I believe as long as a person is alive, repentence and forgiveness is possible. If I said I got saved, and lived the rest of my life going out every weekend and getting drunk, and God never bothered me about it, I would hate to be the preacher that preached my funeral. I say the same about the homosexual act.

 

Yeah? Well I am a brother that saw too much pain and suffering when my brother died an agonizing death because people were afraid to tell him the truth. It works both ways. You have sympathy for the sinner, that's fine, so do I and put my compassion in shoe leather. I have contempt for the preacher that won't stand and call a spade a spade, and let people find out when it is too late.

 

"Persecute" homosexuals. Interesting.

Do we accept adultery? Do we condone it? Is it okay to preach in our churches that adultery is a sin?

If the answer is no, we don't accept it; no, we don't condone it; and yes, it's okay to preach that it's a sin ... then aren't we classifying, "labeling" if you will, a particular group of sinners? And if we preach to that particular group to repent of their sin, or they'll face the wrath of God, aren't we telling them that they're unworthy? And if we tell our congregations to not have anything to do with unrepentent adulterers, aren't we persecuting those adulterers? Telling them they're doing wrong, that the Bible speaks out against what they're doing, that God hates what they're doing?

Yet, I don't see any adulterers standing up for their lifestyle, or proudly proclaiming that God made them that way, or encouraging others to openly engage in adulterous activities. And that's the difference, isn't it? We still recognize that particular sexual sin as "sin"; but we make allowances and excuses for another sexual sin because "someone is looking for something missing in their lives." Then they defend those sexual sinners, saying that we don't persecute adulterers like we do homosexuals; yet, they themselves aren't championing the "rights" of people to commit adultery. So the inconsistency exists on both sides, doesn't it?

"Persecuting" homosexuals? Nah. Persecuting sinners? Yes; and sometimes, too much so, because we have a tendency to forget to separate the sin and the sinner.

BUT, and especially in this day and time, have the courage to call what they're doing a sin; and have the courage to tell them that because they're sinning, they're sinners--JUST LIKE US--but that there's hope, because of the sacrifice on the cross ... whether they're homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, etc., etc.

 

His posts as well as Zaac's might be well received if the name of his congregation was Metropolitan Baptist.

 

And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 1Cor 6:11

You either were or you still are.

Read the rest of the chapter very, very interesting.

 

Matthew 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

The day of judgment referred to in verse 24 is the Great White Throne Judgment described in Revelation 20:11-15. There is no salvation pictured here. Those in Sodom were destroyed for their "sodomy" or homosexuality. Those whom Jesus is condemning are the people of Capernaum. They heard the words of Jesus, saw his miracles, were present right before the incarnate Son of God. There was no excuse for their unbelief.
Thus Jesus says that if the same miracles that He did in Capernaum were done in the city of Sodom, they would have repented. Therefore it will be more tolerable in that Great Day of Judgment then it will be for the Sodomites, though both will be sentenced to the Lake of Fire.
It shows that in some way there will be degrees of punishment in the Lake of Fire. The Lord still condemns sodomy or gays, but he is condemning unbelief in Him even more.
The fact is that the one who "believes in Christ" will not be gay, will not be an adulterer, a fornicator, will not be a murderer, etc.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

Pure silliness. I'm the most conservative person on the board and ya'll can't stand it.:wavey:

 

Thanks for your response. I had no problem with the questions, as I have dealt with them in my own life. I was merely stumped by your lack of response in the other thread. Dialogue is much better. Likewise, hope you were not offended by my posts.

 

would you rather have the Church keep on saying that its no big deal, that God accepts fully that lifestyle, as He "made you that way?"

God loves the gay person JUST as much as me, but he demands that both Him and me live our lives per the mandates of the scriptures, not as we feel, nor what culture says is the approved way!