Featured "Doctrines of Grace", "TULIP", Augustine and Calvin

The DoG is simply a name change to introduce confusion into discussion. Thus debate over the fictitious differences, rather than a discussion of the doctrines.

This evasion effort is to avoid the truth that there is no support in scripture for the TULI of the Tulip.

We get the same shuck and jive with folks saying they are not Calvinists but Reformed. When asked which of the five points they disagree with, they are silent.

It should be clear to any objective bible student that the TULIP is defended by attacking those who disagree, evasion, misrepresentation, and the redefinition of words to rewrite scripture.

Choice means non-choice
adoption means being born again rather than resurrection in glorified bodies.
Love means salvation rather than providing the opportunity through faith for salvation, rewriting John 3:16.
Regeneration occurs while separated from God, rather than to be made alive together with Christ.

The list is endless.

 

Or, Perhaps, DOG is simply a term introduced to emphasize that they believe all salvation is of grace, including granting to some the gracious gift of faith itself.

Or, Perhaps, using "reformed" or "Doctrines of Grace" seems desireable since there is much of Calvin's belief & practice that we disagree with, thereby some may wish not to be known as calvinists.

Or, Perhaps, many use the term "DOG" because they have heard others use it to describe their particular soteriology, and they haven't though much about why they use the term...it's just another term to describe their beliefs.

(see, not everyone has to have secret, deceptive motivations)

Or, Perhaps, some people read the bible and come to conclusions similar to Luther/Calvin/MacArthur/Lloyd Jones & Piper without ever reading their writings.

OR....

Perhaps you are correct, and every DOG/Calvinist/Reformed/TULI person is in fact at conniving, lying, misrepresenting opponent of the Bible...
...or perhaps you might be misrepresenting us a bit?

Perhaps...

 

Link please,

thanks,

 

The Doctrines of Sovereign Grace are consistent with the teaching of Scripture. The Doctrines of "Freewillism" whether Pelagian, semi-Pelagian, or Arminian are not consistent with Scripture.

 

Well I'm sorry that you are tired of me, really. This really hurts my feelings. Actually, I have said this many times on this board that I lean in the direction of Calvinism. To be sure, I question covenant theology, the Biblical proof is just not there. Unless you believe that in order to embrace TULIP you must also embrace covenant theology then there you have it, my stance in a nutshell. Pre-Mil pre-trib, dispensational, mildly calvinistic. No confusion at all.

Questioning doctrine is not attacking. Granted, I put ICON to the test more than any other here but here is an individual that uses the sledgehammer approach to making his case, pays little attention to the actual meaning in context of the Scriptures yet the reformed are there at his side, just because he knows how to cut and paste from Bible gateway. He Icon does to his credit keep it civil, I can't say the same for another poster in his corner who has anger issues and no one calls him out on it. But that's his problem not mine.

I sincerly pray that all is well. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.

 

I am sorry I blew up---Type A kinda person & you hit the trip cord (right after I learned about the fire). There actually was a small fire in January (that I was not aware of) that was put out & reported so what did the landlord do.....absolutely nothing! Thank God these people were out of the house at the time. Only the dog & two cats have paid the ultimate sacrifice

On another note, I have stated pubically that I have no allegiance to Dipsy or CT....but I do believe in Systematic (salvation based ) theology. When we have these historical conversations, I can start opening books ...I personally use Gregg Allison's book "HISTORICAL THEOLOGY" as reference, but these church fathers were all over the boards .... Novatian expounds it one way, Sabellius another, Donatus another, Arius, Eunomius, Macedonius, another, Photinus, Apollinaris, another, Pelagius, Celestinus, another. Therefore, it is necessary that the rule for correct understanding of the prophets & apostles be framed in accordance with the standard of ecclesiastical interpretation.

As far as Im concerned, Augustine joined together the inspiration, canonicity, and authority of Scripture.
In his commentary in "The City of God" he stated that" God produced the Scripture which is called canonical, which has paramount authority, and to which we yield assent in all matters of which we ought not to be ignorant, and yet cannot know of ourselves" That is how I roll.

 

Thank you and no problem, I'm not immune to being irritating at times. Was this fire in a house you own or rent? I'm a volunteer firefighter here in Carbon and get to see the results of the event up close from time to time, it's not a good thing. I got started in this endevor after having a small fire in my house in NJ 1995, even the small ones are quite expensive to fix and an emotional experience.

 

No Welsh Calvinistic Methodist.... but they do Believers Baptism.:smilewinkgrin:

 

I dont own that house....that was a rental. But I only have one son & he should have been more astute to the hazards of a deteriorating & faulty gas furnace, particularly if it caused a fire previously. Such is the maturity of a 21 yo. But now the three are w/o a home ....so I have to quickly buy a bed for him & find him a place (probably my finished basement)

 

I did that---Dont blame my side, I have no side. BTW,
Take a walk..... small pier & long walk! Now, figure out which side Im on:tongue3:

 

Cant take a little constructive criticism is all this is showing me. BTW, Im not a Calvinist.

Lastly, when you insult Calvinist, you insult 6 generations of family who were some of the nicest Christian people Ive ever met.....While Im not a Calvinist, I take it personally your constant disregard for them. I cant measure up to these folks....I have a strong & willful sin nature, but Im much better from the cuss I was 2 years ago. That is all I have to say to you.