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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by makahiya117, Mar 22, 2013.

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  1. makahiya117

    makahiya117 New Member

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    You are calling KJV Bible verses " scriptures " .

    KJV 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
    and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
    for instruction in righteousness:

    Explain to me how the KJV Bible is scripture given by inspiration of God.
     
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    Believers will believe, doubters will doubt and haters will hate.

    You cannot honestly state you have scripture if you believe only the original manuscripts
    were given by inspiration of God. There are no original manuscripts.

    You cannot honestly say "the bible" or "all bibles" are given by inspiration of God.
    There are over 400 (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek, Syrian, Latin, German, English,
    French, Spanish, etc. bibles which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.

    You cannot honestly say "the Greek N.T." or "all N.T. Greek texts" are given by inspiration of God.
    There are over 24 reconstructed (Christian, Catholic, Cult) Greek N.T. texts
    which do not match in content, volume or doctrine.
     
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    hidden things of dishonesty

    KJV But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty,
    not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;
    but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
     
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    Greektim Well-Known Member

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    I smell Steven Avery
     
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    Steven is better......
     
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    Makahyiya117, please tell me what the purified text theory is.
     
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  7. makahiya117

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    Purified Text Theory

    The words of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible are divinely transmitted,
    infallible, infinite, eternal.

    KJV Psalms 12:6 The words of the Lord are pure words:
    as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

    1. O.T. Hebrew Original Autographs 1500 B.C. - 389 B.C.
    2. O.T. Aramaic Original Autographs, Daniel 2:4 - 7:28 607 B.C.,
    3. N.T. Koine Greek Original Autographs 40 A.D. - 90 A.D.
    4. Old Syrian Texts 100 A.D. - 200 A.D.
    5. Old Latin Texts 100 A.D. - 200 A.D.
    6. Reformation German Texts 1500 A.D. - 1560 A.D.
    7. Reformation English Texts 1382 A.D. - 1611 A.D.

    The Record Theory independently answers the questions of final canonization (books and words) and final authority. The dynamic Purified Text Theory supports the Record Theory, demonstrated categorically and conclusively
    in the manuscript evidence, bible canonization, bible doctrine,
    billions of bibles and computational linguistics.
     
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    1. And how are you NOT KJV only again...it sounds like you are?

    2. Of all the different translations of that veser you listed...how do you know the KJV is the right one? You're just randomly picking one translation out of history and claiming it is the standard with no reasons.
     
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  9. makahiya117

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    I am not a KJV Only or an Original Only.

    I believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God.


    KJV Only are elementary bible believers.

    All scripture is given by inspiration of God.


    Original Only are simple.

    There are no original manuscripts.
     
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    Claiming that the words of the 1611 KJV were "divinely transmitted" is in effect advocating a KJV-only theory.

    Are you actually suggesting that the errors in the 1611 edition of the KJV were "divinely transmitted"?

    The original language words given by inspiration of God to the prophets and apostles were the words "divinely transmitted."
     
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  11. makahiya117

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    I am not a KJV Only or an Original Only.

    Do you have scripture ?
     
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    Your own words contradict you since you claimed that the words of the KJV are "divinely transmitted." You made what can properly be considered a KJV-only claim.

    You seem to base your views largely on the writings of Peter Ruckman and Gail Riplinger, two leading KJV-only authors.
     
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    Both Ruckman and Riplinger believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

    Do you believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God ?

    Do you have scripture ?
     
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    yes, but that ONLY to the original books written by Moses, isaiah, Peter, paul, luke etc!
     
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    False. This would mean that God re-inspired the Bible, this time with English words. This is called double inspiration and is completely false.
    If the words of God need to be purified, then they were not pure which is heretical. It would mean that God wasn't perfect. The words of God do not need to be purified. The "purified seven times" is connected to the silver being purified. The words of God are compared in Psalm 12:6 to silver that has been purified. It doesn't say that the words of God were purified because it already said that "words of the LORD are pure words." If they needed to be purified, they would not have been pure to begin with.

    Also, lets just suppose that the purified seven times was for the words of God, it would have already been done. It says that they are "pure" already. Saying they were needing to be purified and finished in 1611 is completely against what Psalm says.

    Purified Text Theory: False
     
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    You can say that all you want, but you are KJV only. If you are not, please tell us what other versions of the Bible you support.
     
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    Are you in effect admitting that you do hold a similar KJV-only view as Peter Ruckman and Gail Riplinger hold?

    It has not been demonstrated from the Scriptures that the Scriptures teach that translations are given by inspiration of God.

    If the word "scripture" at 2 Timothy 3:16 supposedly includes translations, does the "all" before it assert that all translations are given by inspiration of God? You have already claimed that it is not all translations that are inspired so in effect you contradict your reasoning that tries inconsistently to read "translation" or "KJV" [one English translation] into the word Scripture.

    The Scripture given by inspiration of God was given to the prophets and apostles according to what the Scriptures teach, and thus that Scripture was in the original languages.
     
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  18. makahiya117

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    Ruckman and Ripllinger are not KJV Only.

    They both believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God.

    " A peacock is no more perfect or beautiful than a swan. A peacock is simply magnified in the details. Beauty under a magnifying glass, is magnified beauty. When early English Bibles dawned, their simple lines were like the swan. Now they pale with the magnified details of the beautiful King James Bible. The previous Bishop’s Bible 1568-1611 was no less perfect, pure, and true than the KJV. It’s beauty was simply polished, like pure gold is polished, so that the KJV magnifies and mirrors more finely the glorious reflection of our precious Saviour, Jesus, the author. ”
    Dr. Gail Riplinger

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    Never mind Ruckman and Riplinger, what do you believe ?

    Do you have scripture ?
     
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    O.T. Original Autographs 1500 B.C. - 389 O.T.

    Hebrew Manuscripts 1500 - 300 N.T.

    Original Autographs 40 A.D. - 90 N.T.

    Greek Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T.

    Syrian Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T.

    Latin Manuscripts 100 - 200 N.T.

    Receptus Greek Uncial Manuscripts 200 - 900 N.T.

    Receptus Greek Cursive Manuscripts 800 - 1500

    Gothic Bible of Ulfilas 310

    Latin Bibles of the Waldensian 1100

    Latin Bibles of the Albigenes 1300

    Wycliffe Bible 1362

    Latin Bibles of the Lollards 1382

    Erasmus N.T. Greek Text 1516

    Luther German Bible 1522

    Colinaeus N.T. Greek Text 1534

    Stephanus N.T. Greek Text 1546

    Tyndale Bible 1522

    Coverdale Bible 1535

    Great Bible 1539

    Geneva Bible 1560

    Bishops Bible 1568

    Beza N.T. Greek Text 1598

    Nuremberg Polyglot Bible 1599

    Authorized King James Bible 1611

    The central critical fact remains that while the entire line of scripture are records, the outstanding record of scripture on earth and the scripture of final authority is the published text and form of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved bibles of all time.

    KJV Holy Bibles are the most published, read and loved books of all time.
     
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    I have scripture. Do you have scripture?
     
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