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THis thread is on the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Spirit upon! Two different works of the Holy Spirit!Since jesus wanted his church to manifest all those gifts same ways in Acts going forward, prer your own claim, why did the sovereign Lord have to wait 1900 yeras to restore his church back to what he wanted it to be? did satan or unbelief stop him from doing that before?
Through the Spirit of God....sounds like manifestation to me?????The power of the Word of God through the Spirit of God.
I am not looking for a sign in order to believe, are you?Prophet isaiah stated that God said that His WORD will not return void to Him, it will accomplish that which he sent it forth to do!
jesus said that his generation were an evil and adultrous look, kept looking for signs, but only One he would give os his resurrection!
paul preached the Cross and the resurrection, what else is there missing to preach and teach on?
again, why does revelation record NO MENTION of last times church doing those great signs and wonder, only the antichrist/false prophet and their ilk?
you would think that IF 1905 was restoring the church to Acts again, the scriptures would say ANYTHING for us in end days going that stuff!
Are we going to be here during the tribulation? ..that is another thread...
Well, that is one subject I have not throughly researched out! But my opinion would be...NO! The called out bride will not be here during the tribulation!That would at least give you a new dead horse to beat on.
No manifestation.Through the Spirit of God....sounds like manifestation to me?????
There were no miracles, no signs, no speaking in tongues, no "manifestations," etc. Only one man filled with the Holy Spirit, preaching to another man. The Holy Spirit worked through him because of his witness for Christ and his time spent in the Word and prayer.Thereafter, he evidenced spiritual power throughout his life, continually confronting sin and sinners. In one notable early instance, he confronted an infidel who was hiding in a cornfield to avoid the preacher. "What are you going to do?" asked this opponent of the gospel.
"Ask God to kill you," replied Ham. The infidel protested. Ham said that since the man claimed to believe there was no God, such a prayer shouldn't bother him in the least. Nonetheless the unbeliever begged Ham not to pray for his death, so Ham agreed to pray for his salvation instead, and the man was converted on the spot.
Conversion is great!No manifestation.
Dan Graves, a writer for Christianity Today, wrote about an evangelist, Mordecai Ham who lived in the late 19th century and early 20th century.
Here is part of what he wrote:
There were no miracles, no signs, no speaking in tongues, no "manifestations," etc. Only one man filled with the Holy Spirit, preaching to another man. The Holy Spirit worked through him because of his witness for Christ and his time spent in the Word and prayer.
Well, I hope that hatred and bitterness does not blind you!
I have great respect for those men including the apostles! But my greatest respect goes to the one that laid down His life for me! His Word had been watered down to the point that people sitting on the pews are starving to death for truth! Oh, and did I mention SPIRIT!
I do believe in the Holy Spirit within! ...but He is also upon!I have no hatred or bitterness.
Any person sitting on the pews who is a believer is NOT starving to death for truth or the Spirit, because they have the Truth and the Spirit living inside them.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.Conversion is great!
But still does not prove or disprove the indwelling/ upon????
Maybe you need to read Acts again..it mentions the Spirit upon!Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
The Holy Spirit is within the believer, not upon. The Scripture tells us that he comes and dwells within us. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit came "upon" in the OT, not in the NT. In the NT he fills us (Eph.5:18), as I gave an example with Mordecai Ham. He was filled with the Spirit, something every believer should strive to be.
That refers to Pentecost, a one time event.Maybe you need to read Acts again..it mentions the Spirit upon!
I do believe in the Spirit within...as I posted in my first posts!
But I do not deny the work of the Holy Spirit upon as you do!
Acts 1:8 is plain that the Spirit upon is for power!
Here we go again....Acts 8:16 .."fallen UPON them"That refers to Pentecost, a one time event.
Do you have tongues like as of fire UPON you every time you witness?
THis thread is on the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Spirit upon! Two different works of the Holy Spirit!
THe HOly Spirit came upon them in the OT for power! They were not indwelled! The Holy Spirit upon them in the OT was not for salvation, right?
We are indwelled, right? That is salvation, right? Can we agree on this point?
The point where we disagree is that I believe the Holy Spirit ALSO comes upon us for power a different work than indwell!
Maybe you need to read Acts again..it mentions the Spirit upon!
I do believe in the Spirit within...as I posted in my first posts!
But I do not deny the work of the Holy Spirit upon as you do!
Acts 1:8 is plain that the Spirit upon is for power!
Yes! when the Spirit come upon me I did speak in tongues! But that does not prove a difference in the indwelling and upon. As I said to DHK...the Spirit was upon in acts!the HS came in a BRAND NEW fashion at Pentacost, established the church, so he did come upon the Apsotles/disciples, and had cloven tongues of fire, did you experience that when you got the gift of tongues?
Yes! when the Spirit come upon me I did speak in tongues! But that does not prove a difference in the indwelling and upon. As I said to DHK...the Spirit was upon in acts!
Yes! I was a child of God almost 40 years before I ask him to baptize me in the Holy Spirit.Were you saved befor ethat 'experience?" What did you ask God to do in order to get that 'tongue?"
Yes! I was a child of God almost 40 years before I ask him to baptize me in the Holy Spirit.
The first time he indwelled! The second time he came upon with power! Some say the baptism just brings out what is already in you to overflow! Possible! I just know it was different!
(CEV) Before this, the Holy Spirit had not been given to anyone in Samaria, though some of them had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.Here we go again....Acts 8:16 .."fallen UPON them"
(CEV) Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit took control of everyone who was listening.Acts 10:44 .."the Holy Ghost fell ON them.."
(CEV) Act 19:6 Then Paul placed his hands on them. The Holy Spirit was given to them, and they spoke unknown languages and prophesied.Acts 19:6.."the Holy Ghost came ON them.."
It is just the translation you are using. The Holy Spirit was given, took control, etc. It doesn't specifically mean "on" in the sense that you want it to mean. Do some more study.Every example that is shared! Three more should be proof! But probably not for you!