Total Effects of Sin

[saturneptune]

Between the Baptists, Catholics, and SDAs, we have talked a lot about sin and salvation in several threads. I would like to get a perspective of each of the faiths, when sin entered the world, did it just affect mankind, or is the sin that entered the world the reason animials die, flowers wither, plants die, anything we build breaks, like automobiles and household systems. Did sin cause everything on this earth to start winding down? Unattened fruit rots, meat spoils, etc

If this is true, before the fall, we could have had the perfect car with on oil changes. Seriously I would be interested in hearing your views on the scope of sin outside of the death of man.

 

[Deacon]

How one believes about the extent of sin's effects depends largely upon their position in interpreting the Creation passages.

Baptists tend to be young earth creationists but it isn't a distinctive.
Catholic leadership has endorsed evolutionary creationism.

But neither are exclusive.

There are many intermediate positions as well.

Rob

 

[BobRyan]

Between the Baptists, Catholics, and SDAs, we have talked a lot about sin and salvation in several threads. I would like to get a perspective of each of the faiths, when sin entered the world, did it just affect mankind, or is the sin that entered the world the reason animials die, flowers wither, plants die, anything we build breaks, like automobiles and household systems. Did sin cause everything on this earth to start winding down? Unattened fruit rots, meat spoils, etc

If this is true, before the fall, we could have had the perfect car with on oil changes. Seriously I would be interested in hearing your views on the scope of sin outside of the death of man.

k

In Romans 8 we are told that nature itself is subjected to death because of Adam's sin.

However even in the model of Eden - mankind had to eat of the tree of life to live forever - so the law of entropy was at work - thus iron would combine with oxygen even before the fall and you could get iron oxide (rust).

But the plants had an ability to live similar to what we have with weeds today. You could pick one - and then drop it and it would re-establish right where it fell.

And there was no fall or winter like we have today - where leaves die off the trees so the tree can survive a harsh winter.

Genesis 1 says that the animals were eating plants - not each other.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Thomas Helwys]

k

In Romans 8 we are told that nature itself is subjected to death because of Adam's sin.

However even in the model of Eden - mankind had to eat of the tree of life to live forever - so the law of entropy was at work - thus iron would combine with oxygen even before the fall and you could get iron oxide (rust).

But the plants had an ability to live similar to what we have with weeds today. You could pick one - and then drop it and it would re-establish right where it fell.

And there was no fall or winter like we have today - where leaves die off the trees so the tree can survive a harsh winter.

Genesis 1 says that the animals were eating plants - not each other.

in Christ,

Bob

That's a good post, Bob.