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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by DrJamesAch, May 28, 2013.

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  1. DrJamesAch

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    This is hilarious, I posted something that I knew would cause someone to attack their own position from another website, it worked, and instead of conceding to the fact that they were willing to win a debate at all costs, even at the expense of debating views from their own sources, I get accused of plagiarism as if it's an unpardonable sin. I did the exact same thing to Iconoclast that I did to "Preacher"4 Truth ("P4T"), which was post views on Calvinism that were copied directly from another Calvinist website, and he attacked the views and wasn't even consistent in attacking them because I stated them twice in different ways, one in a paragraph and one in bulleted order. He denied the first one outright, but then admitted to 3 of 4 of the last one, and yet they were both exactly the same.

    What I demonstrated in this was the Calvinists on here (and it isn't all of them) were so willing to win a debate at all costs no matter what my posts said, that they attacked their own views unknowingly just to win a debate. Members like P4T made statements like "you've been OWNED". Really? What kind of Christians think they own someone because they slandered them in a conversation?

    Then to boot, these Calvinists have called the IFB a cult, KJVOers a cult, criticized our spirituality, one of you even called me a terrorist because I'm Jewish, and has consistently posted anti -Semitic trash on the history thread directed at me, and then because we IFB have a different view on God, I'm blaspheming Him?

    And it's funny that you all are trying to pull the divide and conquer with the Non Cals when just in one thread (Calvinisms Amillenialism and Infant Baptism) you were all calling Heir of Salvation ("HOS") a troll, and claiming that he and his wife were the same account, trolling pages. Then posted a link that compared HOS and I to some Dumb and Dumber movie with some godless jerk named Jim Carrey, seconded by an additional picture of two retarded people, and WE ARE THE ONES ACTING FOOLISH???

    When PT4 was questioned about posting liquor references on here, instead of denouncing, he defended the Pharisees calling Jesus a winebibber,simply to mock me. On post 181, (while blaspheming Christ) he and KYRedneck had already agreed to attempt to "tag team" me and then wrote messages to several others on here to join in. That's just childish and wicked.

    I've been on some Baptist forums, and this is THE WORST. The atmosphere here is no better than what I have seen on atheist websites. I've seen some harsh people in the IFB, but what folks accuse them of in being vicious or "legalistic" is NOTHING compared to what I've seen on here.

    I am so glad that Christ is my Lord and Saviour because if I were not a Christian and this is what I had to view as an example of Christianity, I would never become a Christian. God forgive me for stooping to their level today.
     
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  2. Iconoclast

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    Accused...NO....Caught lying and being deceitful which you tried to pass off as guile...YES


    Why Lie????

    Here is what I said-

    ACH,

    Now no one is going to pick at this as it is more in line with what is believed by cals'. Where you get "picked on" is your posts that give no indications of any of these truths you presented here...In other words....what you have stated cal's believe in other posts....could be answered by your own post here as source material.....


    My post was clear and you should not twist it...
    So...there is no attack...only you attacking Christians....I would not have answered you except your habitual lying needs to be exposed.
     
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    Brother, you are welcome to leave when you choose. I've found this place to be fairly sensible and even handed when dealing with issues and topics.

    As you and I have interacted I have not seen the same from you. Perhaps it is best for you to go elsewhere. :)
     
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    At Least it Didn't Take You....

    ....long to see what is going on around here. Good for you [pointing out the sin and the parties responsible]; it takes guts to do that.

    I only hope that you stop playing games to catch folks in lies and games, and become a true contributor to this forum as I have a feeling that you will be a welcome relief to the "good ol' boys" syndrome. One one where others do gang up on some to put them in their place; drive them off the board; or worse. All this cyber tar and feathering is such a POOR witness to the world that stops by to visit. I can't even begin to imagine how many folks have dropped by and not remained once they saw the kind of spieitual warfare being lodged at others they pretend to call their brothers and sisters... :(


    One day, these members are going to push a member past the point of embarrassing them or "putting them in their place" and when they discover that their harsh criticism and un-Christlike tactics push a weaker member to commit suicide, or have a nervous breakdown or heart attack, maybe their childish games will end [although I highly doubt it], but God will hold these bullies accountable, for sure.

    Again, it shouldn't matter to another member if one member is a Calvinist, or speaks in tongues. It shouldn't matter if one member holds to any o principle of doctrine. ALL THAT SHOULD MATTER IS THAT THE PERSON ON THE OTHER END OF THE CYBER SCREEN IS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN BORN-AGAIN; LOVE JESUS MORE THAN ANYTHING IN LIFE; AND ARE FOLLOWING HIM ACCORDING TO THE PACE, HE IS LEADING THEM!

    Yours will not be the last attempt by another member to expose some of the bullying tactics used by others on this board [in an attempt to salvage their little group] to preserve this board for those who think it is in place simply for their own pleasure.

    This is an open board and an open forum. It should not matter whether or not a person posts on a debate forum or a fellowship forum. It should not matter if the other person is willing to engage or disengage. All that should matter is that we are all here to fellowship with others who love Jesus.

    Nevertheless, for some, that will never be the true agenda of why they are here. There is an unspoken, deeply hidden agenda held by some, and if others don't play by their rules, they are less than the gentiles who live on this board to re-educate them at all costs.

    Great post Dr. Ach. It's just too bad that you had to play a covert game to get to the bottom of this board. Even so, let me remind you, that while what you say is TRUE, there are MANY very good people on this board, and I hope you stick around and be one of us. Shalom! :type:
     
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    man, if being a Doctor of Theology (as I assume that's what the "Dr" means in that little title before Dr. Arch's name) is to do what the Dr. did, I'm glad I got no higher than GED in secular education.
    ICONOCLAST posted in reply and the "Dr" has not refuted what was posted, so the Dr was simply "baiting", and what does that prove to others ?
    zilch.
     
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    You're really that gullible?

    He's lying. It was in fact him who got caught plagiarizing and claimed it was his own writing. Then blasphemy. And he's not repented after being called on it, admitting to it, and attempting to continue to deceive.

    The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going. -- Proverbs 14:15

    Please know what your'e talking about before you comment.
     
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    The only baiting that happened was he tried to post his views on Calvinism as though he had written them. But I found he plagiarized them in like 30 seconds after he posted it. He baited himself.

    What in fact happened was the 'dr' posted he was going to write out his beliefs on Calvinism. Reading this it sounded too good to have come from him so I googled a section of it and it was stolen writings. He then defended himself. Now he's twisting his story to make it something else, a different objective, which shows how unrepentant and callous he is, prideful, selfish, serving himself with no fear of God for lying. Then he said my signature is plagiarism (which gives Jonathan Edwards credit) in an attempt to lay the same thing he did upon me. Since he won't repent he's been hell bent to slander others and continue his lies, and has been called out by several about his lies.
     
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    No matter what any Non Calvinist says to you or any of your cronies, it will always be considered a lie for no other reason than that it is not compatible with your point of view. You have demonstrated that you do not know the difference between a lie, a misrepresentation, a fallacy, a misunderstanding, an untruth and a contradiction. The failure to understand this is why many Non Cals become frustrated and refuse to engage with you because accusing some one of a lie is much more personal then simply accepting that another person's point of view is incongruent with your own.

    What I did in catching you and others was not a deliberate lie to cause malfeasance and detriment to another person. I used a similar tactic that Paul used in 2 Corinthians 12:16 because with so many of you accusing others of purposely lying about what you believe and deliberately misrepresenting your position, it was necessary to show that you were merely using such an accusation in a pejorative matter to gain an advantage in a debate at all costs. What you and the others are really angry about is the fact that you got caught, not that what I said was a lie or untrue.
     
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    Did P4T LIE?

    Here's a perfect example of what the Non Cals of the particular ilk described in this thread call a lie.

    Preacher4Truth stated that the description in my signature, "What Kills You Makes You Stronger" was incorrect. He attempted to correct me by being pejorative with '"Hey Dr, you can't even spell your own signature right. It's what DOESN'T Kill You Makes You Stronger".

    HOS and a few others recognize my signature for what it is, a deliberate misquote of the communist Friedrich Nietzsche, with a verse below it from Romans 8:13 that emphasizes death to the flesh. So what was really being said is that what KILLS YOU makes you stronger.

    Is P4T's failure to correctly understand my signature a lie? Do I have grounds therefore to call him a liar? If the shoe was on the other foot, he would use this example to confirm that I am a liar (and in fact did as shown above with his own Edwards quote).

    But do we really have to play semantics? Are we really to expect that this crowd doesn't know the difference between a contradiction, a misunderstanding, and untruth and a lie? Or is it that they are so full of pride that they will not admit they purposely skew such definitions to belittle their opponents.
     
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    Really, brother? Hilarious? You point the wrathful finger of judgment at others and yet boast about your own delight in purposefully lying to people just to mock them?

    I followed one of those threads and it is NOT exactly what you said. I've been reading the posts of the two guys that you are complaining about for years and while we don't always agree 100%, I find them to be worthy people and wise.

    Perhaps you should leave. You've passed your judgment, now shake the dust off of your sandals and go and laugh at people somewhere else.

    In fact, if you stay here, you will only prove your own hypocrisy and prove your delight in stirring discord.
     
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    There is much in the last few days that many of us should not be particularly proud of, myself included.

    Perhaps those of us who have been party to the in-fighting and insults should stop for a while and come back to posting after some intro-spection. For my part, I think I will let these tit-for-tat accusation discussions go for a while.

    I think most of us on this board are capable of more reasoned and fruitful discussions. Than the ones referrenced here have been. Even those who are legitimately trying to be part of the "solution" aren't really helping since IMO....people just have their dander up too much. I, for one, will be done with some of these recent exchanges. They have been un-fruitful at best.
     
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    You all do realize that you're feeding the troll(s), right? This is how he gets his jollies. If he does leave he'll be back with another identity. Or who knows, maybe he'll try to sell us on 'Lilly' again, no doubt many here are just that gullible.
     
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    LOL, & this is your response?!? Your a mess.....shoo! :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    And do not let the door hit you on the way out..............

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    "Dr." Ach,

    I have truly tried to like and respect you, but you have proven yourself to represent everything that I dislike about IFB and many Baptists in general. The constant mischaracterization of what others believe and teach, the pride that you are not "one of them", and the condemning of others as "drunks", "Catholics", "Bible agnostics" (which you admittedly did not use but approved of) and so forth is just proof of the fact that IFB are no better than those that they condemn.

    Perhaps you should go into the presence of God with bowed head and beat your chest in sorrow instead of thanking Him that you are not like those you seem to despise so much.

    May God bless you by having mercy on you.
     
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    Honestly Doc, this is one of those times I'm glad I can only post from my phone. Since I am, I'm going to refrain from feeding the troll. But I'll be home this evening.
     
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    SN.....LOL! But I said Shoo, not SHOE! :laugh:
     
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